iffy
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2005-05-30 10:38 PM
Quick Launch Challenge

For a while I've been looking for a way to enable (and possibly disable) the Quick Launch bar programmatically. Any (script) language would work for me but KiX would be nicest of course. I've Googled until I got RSI but I can't seem to find a way. Even filemon and regmon got me nowhere Am I totally overlooking something or is this a special challenge for the guru's here... anyway, I've got my hope all set on you guys (and girls?).

Btw.. the key is programmatically, of course I know you can do it with a right mouse click. If a logoff/logon or even a reboot is required for the change to work that would be NO problem for what I'm looking for.


masken
(MM club member)
2005-05-30 11:03 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

With some Googling I found a way to disable it at least hehe.. by activating the Classic shell...
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer
"ClassicShell" 1 or 0

Also via GPO:
"User Configuration\Administrative
Templates\Windows Components\Windows Explorer\Enable Classic Shell"

EDIT
Even more using Google groups:

http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=...gp07%26rnum%3D1


iffy
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2005-05-30 11:06 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

LOL... effective but not what I'm looking for. I actually want to turn it on (and possibly off).

ShawnAdministrator
(KiX Supporter)
2005-05-30 11:08 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

lol, I googled a "rename hack" here:

%userprofile%\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Renamed Quick Launch

We got rid of this through GPO's iirc, it was the byproduct of locking-down something else though, will advise if I find it.


masken
(MM club member)
2005-05-30 11:08 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Well then take your time and actually look at the links I provied and you'll find what you're looking for

Mart
(KiX Supporter)
2005-05-30 11:33 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Well....found this in the google groups link. It will turn of every toolbar on the taskbar.
It works. Tested it on a co workers pc and he almost killed me LOL
Never do testing on your own pc to keep away from fubaring it accidentally.

Code:

WriteValue ("HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer", "NoToolbarsOnTaskbar", "1", "REG_DWORD")



Will search some more on how to turn just QL on and/or off. Would also like to know how to do this by script.


iffy
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2005-05-30 11:40 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

I apperently replied before the links were there but I've just read thru a load of 'solutions' but either they don't work or have to be applied to the .default user or to hkey_users while the user is not logged on. The former won't do because it wouldn't work for existing profiles, and for the latter I can't see an 'easy' way to implement that. I was hoping for a script that could be run in the user context. The search continues...

iffy
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2005-05-30 11:42 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Disabling seems easier than enabling... apperently 'just' deleting the quick launch folder will disable it too... and I agree, never test anything potentially destructful on your own machine and along those same lines... no better test environment than your production environment

Mart
(KiX Supporter)
2005-05-31 12:01 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

How about this option?

Quote:


Hello,

Thank you for your posting.

To enable Quicklaunch bar automatically, please refer to below steps:

1) Logon as a user and setup the Taskbar settings like you want it(Quick
Launch, Unlock Taskbar etc) then log off as that user so that changes get
made to
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Stream
s\Desktop] "TaskbarWinXP"

2) Logon as same user as in step 1 above and then bring up regedit and
export the above hive out. And Logoff.

3) Logon as Administrator and then in a text editor bring up the reg key
that was saved out in step 2 above and make the following changes to it

Original HKCU key exported out in step 2:
=========================================
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Stream
s\Desktop]
"TaskbarWinXP"=hex: Snip, All binary data remains unchanged

Regkey after changes:
=====================
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Strea
ms\Desktop]
"Toolbars"=hex:11,00,00,00,00,00,00,00
"Default Taskbar (Personal)"=hex: Snip, All binary data remains unchanged

4) Then apply the new HKLM regkey and each new user that logs onto the
system will get the settings to the taskbar that have been specified.

In addition, there is also a tool can enable Quicklunch bar, you can just
put it into login script. You can send a email to me at
xxxx@microsoft.com and I will send it to you.

Have a nice day!

Regards,
Bob Qin
Microsoft Online Partner Support






http://groups.google.se/groups?q=script+....phx.gbl&rnum=8

Takes some preparations but should be easy enough to do
Did not try it yet myself but will give it a go if time allows tomorrow.

[edit]
Added the text from google groups post.
He's talking about a QuickLunch bar LOL
Just mailed the guy to get a copy of the tool.
[/edit]


Mart
(KiX Supporter)
2005-05-31 12:14 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

A side effect of some other setting, hmmmmm.....
Maybe MS implementing it into GPO would be nice.


iffy
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2005-05-31 12:46 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

No time to try that now, maybe tomorrow. But what the heck... I just looked at your profile... I worked there too (Achterklooster!) from 1994 to 2000. First as tech support and last 4 years or so as system administrator. Guess it's a small world afterall

Edit: I've emailed the guy from the newsgroup too...


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2005-05-31 02:48 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Hopefully I never have to work where you guys are Admins.

I can't believe you guys take the time to CONTROL whether or not a user can have the QuickLaunch bar on his/her desktop. Perhaps in a KIOSK type of environment where a user is only allowed to run certain applications, or similar, but in a normal workplace - what does it really matter if a user has one or not?

I thought IT was supposed to be an ENABLER of Technology and Support to achieve more growth for the Company, not just exercise their POWER over others.

 


AllenAdministrator
(KiX Supporter)
2005-05-31 03:16 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Quote:

I thought IT was supposed to be an ENABLER of Technology and Support to achieve more growth for the Company, not just exercise their POWER over others.





LOL. Doc didn't you recently participate in this thread? Twinkle Twinkle Little Star Hmmm... what's the difference?


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2005-05-31 03:34 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Aaron was wanting to play a joke on a fellow IT Admin I thought. Iffy doesn't say why, so one would assume that he is looking for a method to control all the Desktops which is a LOT different then playing a joke on someone.

 


iffy
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2005-05-31 08:20 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Yes you are right, it's about enabling technology but that is besides the issue. First of all you do not know my users and secondly, the systems are (historically ) locked down so the start menu and taskbar for example cannot be modified. No need to either (locally) since all our apps are in a Citrix farm and nothing runs locally except a virus scanner. By default the Quick Launch bar is disabled on WinXP, I want to GIVE the users the Quick Launch bar as I can see it's value in some cases. So guess I'm the hero afterall and we can start working together

NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2005-05-31 09:54 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Not meaning anything personal - just seemed like a rather draconian approach to IT Support without all the details.


Well have not researched this specific issue, but here are some links to other similar issues I was able to come up with when no one else had come up with a solution.

taskmgr - automating "hide when minimized"
http://www.kixtart.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB14&Number=116018

ModifyStartMenu()
http://www.kixtart.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=82899


 


Mart
(KiX Supporter)
2005-06-04 11:46 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Totally off topic (sorry about that ) but if you worked there until 2000 then I'm the guy that took up the challenge when you left. So you must be Rene or Alex I think

Unfortunately no word from the MS guy yet about the tool he mentioned.

Doc has a point there but like said users are strange creatures wanting the most weird things from the admins and each environment has it's own needs.
Had no time to dive into this issue for the last few days. You gotten somewhere yet iffy?


iffy
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2005-06-05 09:29 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Sorry, haven't had time to really test it either. The links looks promising tho, but will probably need some work. And off topic: yup, it's me, Alex, perhaps I should give ya a call sometime and we'll have a beer "on the good old days"

Mart
(KiX Supporter)
2005-06-05 10:20 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Quote:

Sorry, haven't had time to really test it either. The links looks promising tho, but will probably need some work. And off topic: yup, it's me, Alex, perhaps I should give ya a call sometime and we'll have a beer "on the good old days"




Will see if I get some time to test next week. Little difficult but will se if there is an opportunity.

BTW: I'm always in for a beer. You know the number (if not just drop me a message) it was yours once


Jeroen
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2006-01-27 01:32 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Hi guys,

I've contacted Microsoft via phone and e-mail, and this morning received the tool mentioned in the earlier post. But, attaching a file to a post is not possible, so I'm not sure how to post it yet. I'll be back.


Mart
(KiX Supporter)
2006-01-27 01:51 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

If it is freeware and can be distributed for free by MS rules and regulations then you could put it on a web server and post a link here.

Jeroen
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2006-01-27 02:08 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Well, you tell me; this is how things went; I sent an e-mail asking for the tool to enable the quick launch via logon script, and simply received this reply with the attachment:

Quote:


You can use the command below to enable the "Quick Launch bar":
toggleql.exe 1

Have a nice day!





Since there are no rules or reservations specified in the mail, and the nature of the tool is very simple, I don't see why it would not be freely distributable.


Sealeopard
(KiX Master)
2006-01-28 01:35 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Jeroen:

You already sent me a PM about this, as long as they didn't tell you you can't distribute it (and it sounds like they didn't), then yes, we can host it.

Looel: Can you park it on KORG for download?


Co
(MM club member)
2006-01-29 03:07 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Quote:

I thought IT was supposed to be an ENABLER of Technology and Support to achieve more growth for the Company, not just exercise their POWER over others.




Doc, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately I've to defend myself most of time when this is discussed. In my opinion you have to fit IT into your organisation instead of fit your organisation into IT...


Les
(KiX Master)
2006-01-29 03:54 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Oh well... at least he didn't compare you to Hitler...

Les
(KiX Master)
2006-01-29 04:56 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Just kidding there DOC.
Those Yanks are kinda sensitive about their civil liberties and "pursuit of happiness, yada yada"


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2006-01-29 07:57 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

LOL - No problem Les. The only thing we seem to be in pursuit of these days is the key to preventing Telemarketers from calling ever day.

Jeroen
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2006-01-30 03:53 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

FYI: I've sent it to jooel via e-mail.

LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2006-01-30 08:39 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

got it.
thanks.
will try to reverse engineer it later.


LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2006-01-31 01:12 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

can't receive no exe attachments dude.

NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2006-01-31 02:09 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

think you need a new e-mail provider

Yeah, used to be easy but now days most freebie and Corporate e-mail severs just won't forward a list of potentially executable files on a Windows system.


Co
(MM club member)
2006-01-31 06:08 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Jeroen,

make it a .txt...


LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2006-01-31 02:06 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

sure I could get it from the server if I opened it with some oddball client but outlook won't allow it.

LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2006-01-31 02:24 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

as jeroen hasn't answered, I removed exe from the disallowed attachment list to get my hands on the exe.
it doesn't work.
as a matter of fact, the exe did nothing.
loaded the usual dlls and then exited.


Jeroen
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2006-01-31 04:33 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Jooel, I've sent it earlier today as "toggleql_rename_this_to_exe.doc". The syntax is: "toggleql.exe 1" to switch quicklaunch on, "toggleql.exe 0" to switch quicklaunch off. It works fine on both my machines here.

LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2006-01-31 05:12 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

ja.
doesn't work here.
which language you have in your OS?
and does the path to your quicklaunch folder contain scandinavian letters?


MightyR1
(MM club member)
2006-01-31 10:19 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Guys,

could one of you mail the exe to MightyR1 at hotmail dot com.
I'd like to give it a try.


LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2006-01-31 11:09 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

done.

MightyR1
(MM club member)
2006-01-31 11:40 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Thanks Jooel,

will give it a try and let you guys know.


MightyR1
(MM club member)
2006-01-31 11:43 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Works @ home: WXPpro UK

LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2006-01-31 11:45 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

doesn't work with:
w2k sp4, finnish


NTDOCAdministrator
(KiX Master)
2006-02-01 12:23 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Was probably designed for XP and 2K probably has different keys than XP. But, could very well be that it is only supported on English systems.

LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2006-02-01 12:51 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

jeroen, could you email back to the guy who sent the file?
I saw someone else got it from MS too but there is no real knowledge on the net about it.

what I would like to know is does it use the sendkeys method or does it write stuff to the stream value or is there indeed some hidden api call that everyone has failed to find?


Mart
(KiX Supporter)
2006-02-01 09:33 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Can I get a copy? E-mail addy is in my profile.

Co
(MM club member)
2006-02-01 12:19 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Quote:

Can I get a copy? E-mail addy is in my profile.




For me the same...

Thanks in advance


masken
(MM club member)
2006-02-01 10:02 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Another hit:
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/47605/47605.html

So it seems since the binary HKCU value is already loaded into memory when the user logs in, and written back from there when logging out, it has to be written either when the user's logged off into the HKEY_USERS\-GUID- section, or put as a startup/run once thing before the user logs on.


LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2006-02-01 10:40 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

masken, well.
it surely can be clicked, thus, it can be done too.


Co
(MM club member)
2006-02-02 07:40 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Quote:

Was probably designed for XP and 2K probably has different keys than XP. But, could very well be that it is only supported on English systems.




It works on a WinXP (english) OS and it doesn't on a Win2K (english) Server


LonkeroAdministrator
(KiX Master Guru)
2006-02-02 03:56 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

jeroen, could you please mail back to the ms guy asking for something that works with w2k?

Jeroen
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2006-02-20 01:07 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

Sorry for the late response!

I've mailed the guy at ms, when I get an answer, I'll let you know. I've only tested the tool on WinXP as well since that was what I needed it for, so I guess it's quite possible that it's only for WinXP.

When I have more info, you'll hear from me. In the mean time, the WinXP version can be downloaded using the link below. It remains active only as long as the file is downloaded at least once a month or so, so if it disappears you can send a PM or something and I'll put it up there again.

Get the file here


Arend_
(MM club member)
2006-02-20 03:37 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

This is very nasty but works nonetheless...
Code:

Dim $WshShell, $x
$WshShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
$WshShell.Run("cmd /c start ::{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}\::{21EC2020-3AEA-1069-A2DD-08002B30309D}\::{0DF44EAA-FF21-4412-828E-260A8728E7F1}")
$WshShell.AppActivate("Taskbar and Start Menu Properties")
Sleep 2
$x=SendKeys ("q")
Sleep 2
$x=SendKeys ("{ENTER}")


replace the sendkey "s" with a Q for dutch os's.


Mart
(KiX Supporter)
2006-02-20 03:41 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

And it has some trouble with XP in other languages then English.

masken
(MM club member)
2006-02-20 06:49 PM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

what's wrong with putting it as a start-up script and under default user?

Jeroen
(Starting to like KiXtart)
2006-02-27 11:07 AM
Re: Quick Launch Challenge

FYI: Still have not received a reply from the MS guy. I doubt an answer will follow. Should I receive an answer, I'll post again.