#97032 - 2002-12-18 08:27 PM
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MCA
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Registered: 2000-04-28
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Dear,
So, we had the time to look at possible changes to this board.
On Infopop we found following list Release Notes
A copy of it:
Version 6.4 Beta Release 1 - December 06, 2002
- Content Islands
- A searchable Community Directory
- The ability for an Admin to view the board when it is turned off
- Simplified Upgrade procedures
- Today's Active Topics is now a rolling 24 hour period
- User passwords in the ubber cookie are now MD5 hashes
- User level based permission to allow custom user titles set by users
- Time based edit options
- Toggle for last post column (and contents) in forum summary
- Toggle for last post column (and contents) in topic list
- Forum summmary last post links to the actual post
- "Re: " now before replies to topics in forum summary
- Forum name in <title> tag in topic list
- Added <label> tags & some CSS magic to forms in the control panel for greater
usability & accessability
Version 6.3.1.2 - November 14, 2002 (a minor but important release)
- Increased security filtering to prevent the potential for harmful use of cross
site scripting in posts. - Increased security to prevent the potential for people to read private forum
thread titles. - If you cannot update your UBB.classic at this time please be sure that HTML
is disabled in posts.
Version 6.3.1.1 - August 14, 2002 ( a minor release)
- Search results are presented without thread duplicates
- Corrected minor bug in PDN duplicate checking
- Fixed private forum transition template and error messages
- The FAQ cache is now properly cleared when the FAQ is changed via the control panel
- Proper redirect added to the "Email User" feature
- Avatar selection errors due to mixed-case domain names solved
- Added additional input and output filtering
- Misc typo fixes
- JC Templates updated to be more XHTML 1.0 Transitional compliant
greetings.
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#97035 - 2002-12-19 05:52 AM
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Kdyer
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Jooel,
I take it you liked our little experiment?
![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
Kent
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#97037 - 2002-12-19 06:07 AM
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Howard Bullock
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I have put up an internal SNITZ 2000 forum for our corporate logon script/KiXtart and SMS support.
It is pretty cool. I have 14 forums so far. The SMS team loves it.
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#97038 - 2002-12-19 06:22 AM
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Kdyer
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Since http://helpdesk.kixtart.org has ASP.. How hard would it be to put something like Snitz there? Pretty slick. I think Howard would agree the hardest thing was setting the paths to the database and that probably took a grand total of five minutes. ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) Now, to get something like that over here for Henri.. It depends what hardware this server is on. However, there is ChiliASP which supports ASP on Unix boxes.
Kent
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#97039 - 2002-12-19 06:31 AM
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Howard Bullock
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I install to a SQL server DB. The setup took me about 15 minutes since I had to blow away the first database (stupidity).
I spent another 45 minutes installing a MOD (modification) to show and log some stats about active users.
We spent a day hashing out the nature of various forums. We locked some forums for "Announcements" so that non-moderators could not post (readonly). SNITZ has an email option that permits user to subscribe to forums. This emails the member when there is a new post (AKA poor man's mailing list). We plan on having our users subscribe to the "Announcement" forums so that we can post and they can come read. That way we no longer have to maintain mailing/distribution lists to notify LAN Admins of tests, fixes, etc.
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#97040 - 2002-12-19 06:36 AM
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Kdyer
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I still have yet to enable to MOD for active users. I take it you grabbed the on from http://www.snitzbitz.com ?
Kent
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#97041 - 2002-12-19 06:37 AM
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Howard Bullock
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that would be the place.
{edit} I also read the SNITZ support forums and added 4 security fixes.
[ 19. December 2002, 06:38: Message edited by: Howard Bullock ]
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#97043 - 2002-12-29 03:24 AM
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Kdyer
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I have put up the Mod for the Active Users..
I have also put in the patches too.
If you are interested, please visit:
Forum
Kent
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#97044 - 2002-12-31 08:34 PM
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MCA
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Dear,
A good action you have taken. Indeed it isn't always necessary to
pay for bulletin software. The page competition
shows also the other available software.
At this moment Henri has fix the "newbies" problem.
As reaction on changing to other bulletin software we can also advice
Henri not to upgrade software. No upgrade, because we are all happy
with the current version.
As reaction on topic on Kent's forum topic what's up
- no data lost during problems with "kixtart.org"
- a possible suggestion about hosting something like "kixtart.org" can be
a problem, when such site generates an upload of about 30 GB. not all
ISP's accept such upload. - to guarantee availability of such site it is very important, that the
place is a save location and it can handle supply interruption in a good
way. - there are pro's and contra's against plain text or database version
for a BB. - what the exact reason was, which prevents a simple reload of previous
version we doesn't known exactly.
Based of Henri's experiences BB shouldn't have any problems with upgrading.
Specially when the upgrade isn't very complex.
Possible the amount of active members can be a problem. In the past Henri
was upgrading the site during slowest moments.
Oh, who makes backups on a regular base. Mostly people are waiting after
the implemention before starting backing up.
Possible that Henri had make another decision, what to do. Possible Henri
was going for Infopop solution. Possible Infopop had told "we will return
very fast a solution for this problem". - support level has mostly a price.
- it isn't always necessary you find some posts about it on Infopop's BB.
- we agree with Shawn there is no kixtart board that even comes close
to matching kixtart.org for activity ... not even close. - it isn't always possible to react on mail within a short period.
- it isn't always necessary to send mails without having a new status.
greetings.
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#97045 - 2002-12-31 08:51 PM
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Lonkero
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I read something like 2 lines of your reply MCA, and I turned ![[Mad]](images/icons/mad.gif)
the reason for the discussion is that not all of us is happy with the current soft.
anyway, to answer in reasonable matter:
you say, no data loss: ofcourse not. but how many hundreds of posts were missed because of week downtime?
so, in matter of theoretical speaking, we lost lots of data.
based on henri's experience, it's not hard to upgrade.
sure, but does every simple upgrade take board down for weeks??? ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif)
what comes to support, infopop is not the best solution.
the kixtart community is.
what comes to kixtart.org's own support, turning down e-mails with dutch replies is not support. it's annoying teasing.
well, that's shortly the feelings I got rasen up from your reply...
not so good ones maybe, but surely they say one thing:
"not everyone is thinking the same on everything"
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#97046 - 2003-01-01 12:11 AM
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MCA
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Dear Lonkero,
We know the discussion about wanted things on this board like f.e. how many
people are reading a specific topic. Based on the software choose of Henri
some things are possible at all. In our opinion we must respect that.
Possible that the other chooses requires too much maintenance.
Possible that the database version isn't so robust.
Possible that it can be very hard to solve problems, when you are using
related databases.
Possible that some guys want too much.
Possible that not all of you known, that Henri manages this site for over
four years.
Of course it wasn't a pleasant situation "kixtart.org" wasn't available.
Of course some of you were missing new posts. In our opinion the quiet
moment is acceptable. In our opinion a bigger problem is that newbies
can't put new topics on it. In our opinion enough people knows other
ways for their (urgent) questions.
During the problem period all input - when possible - was saved in a
correct way.
sure, but does every simple upgrade take board down for weeks???
Lonkero, everyhting can very simple. Simple when possible problems
are possible for Henri's situation.
Do anybody know "is it possible that your system clock becomes a countdown
clock?". Of course everybody should say: impossible.
We say: it is possible.
Do anybody know "what can happen when your system clock is a countdown
clock?".
We say: possible problems with an upgrade.
So an upgrade may looks like to be easy, but an upgrade during site online
can create unwanted situations.
what comes to support, infopop is not the best solution.
For this conclusion we must know what the real problem was. Possible
that even Henri doesn't know it.
Possible that we must accept an offline period during upgrading. It will
reduce possible complications.
Possible that in same situation Henri doesn't get the same response
from other BB software developpers.
Sorry Lonkero, we doesn't have the same experiences with Henri's reaction
on mail. Of course at this moment we are mailing with dutch.
At least we shouldn't forget that
- Henri is running this site for over four years.
- Henri's server has an availability above 99,9%.
- Henri takes direct action when he get informed about problems.
- Henri is willing to pay for support.
- Henri makes it possible that his site can support above 30GB of data per month.
- Henri doesn't like at all, that his site wasn't working in a proper
way. We think he hate this situation more that we together.
Of course "not everyone is thinking the same on everything".
greetings.
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#97048 - 2003-01-01 12:55 AM
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Kdyer
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Loc: Tigard, OR
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MCA,
While http://kixtart.org is back up and going well.. There needs to be some attention to http://helpdesk.kixtart.org as they are using ASP and the board is pretty hard to use.
While this is not meant to be replacement for http://kixtart.org, it was merely an experiment to see how easy it was to bring up a BB Site. In fact, it was very easy. The only real challenge was to do the "Active Users."
Kent
[ 01. January 2003, 00:56: Message edited by: kdyer ]
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#97049 - 2003-01-01 04:31 AM
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MCA
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Registered: 2000-04-28
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Loc: Netherlands, EU
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Dear Kent,
We always loves your initiatives. Indeed it is very good idea to see "is there an easy way
of migrating this site".
Your conclusions are very positive when the kixtart.org-boys want to have a mirror site
of it. Indeed a challenge was and is the migration of members. Without Henri's input
about username/password combinations it isn't very easy to make it transparent with
his site.
Of course all kind of solutions are possible to implement an user mirroring.
We will surely look at such type of migration.
By mirroring it is very important that information will be replaced when new informa-
tion is available. It was very pity, that the UDFs libraries lost their contents.
greetings.
btw: Kent, keep on going in the new year.
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#97050 - 2003-01-03 05:42 AM
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Kdyer
KiX Supporter
Registered: 2001-01-03
Posts: 6241
Loc: Tigard, OR
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MCA,
If we go into the Snitz site, we see the following external tool:
Forum Setup Tools
Download Which is a UBB to Snitz converter..
Kent
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