#96662 - 2002-12-05 07:08 AM
Re: KiXtart LightWeight Manual Reference
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Kdyer
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Registered: 2001-01-03
Posts: 6241
Loc: Tigard, OR
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Jooel,
I like the format and is pretty speedy as you have broken up the files..
However.. (yes, I know ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) ) In the case of the "All Commands" if you click on a Macro for example, one does not know if it is a Command, Function, or Macro.
A person who has worked with KiX for a while would know, but someone new would not.
Kent
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#96664 - 2002-12-05 09:47 PM
Re: KiXtart LightWeight Manual Reference
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Anonymous
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I have a simple question that related to valuable time (please no one flame me for asking):
Why are we all duplicating our efforts to accomplish the same goals?
We already have the KiXtart manual in HTML form. ScriptLogic maintains this conversion and offers it in a single file (compiled Microsoft CHM format).
If people want the manual online, in addition (or as an alternativ) to a downloadable compiled HTML version, it can be easily accomplished without a duplication of effort.
Remember, the folks at ScriptLogic had to first write the HTML pages before linking and compiling them. That means they already have them in a non-compiled form.
If the KiXtart manual is wanted online, then just ask them to publish it.
I believe that in the 3.6x days, ScriptLogic did post the manual online, and then it was snaked by someone, then released in a compiled form by that person. So, then ScriptLogic decided to compile it instead. Great theory, except that compiled html files can be decompiled and turned back into individual html pages (case and point of this can be found over at http://helpdesk.kixtart.org
What I'm saying is that since nothing is sacred, nor does it need to be -- simply try asking for what you want from someone that already did it.
Does this make any sense or am I way off base here in trying to coordinate efforts?
-Brian
[ 06. December 2002, 08:33: Message edited by: bstyles ]
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#96665 - 2002-12-05 09:55 PM
Re: KiXtart LightWeight Manual Reference
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NTDOC
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Registered: 2000-07-28
Posts: 11624
Loc: CA
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Brian,
I think perhaps some of the thought or thinking here is that if one is in control of his own workings it is preferred. Meaning that he can add/modify/edit at will without having to ask someone else to do it when they get time. Then perhaps he/she thinks that heck, I'm doing this for myself - why not make it at least available to others as well.
There is also the idea fact kind of what Lonkero and I are doing with the UDF Collection. We basically run a script and "semi" mirror it in case one of our sites is down.
Not sure what you mean about my site being a good example of decompiling code. Unless you mean the code that built the web page itself. ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) If you mean the .chm file... that is all hand done by me alone.
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#96669 - 2002-12-06 08:31 AM
Re: KiXtart LightWeight Manual Reference
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Anonymous
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Thanks for the prompt feedback:
NTDOC: quote:
"Not sure what you mean about my site being a good example of decompiling code."
My bad ![[Frown]](images/icons/frown.gif) I didn't mean you. I meant to say http://helpdesk.kixtart.org/ has decompiled the kixtart411.CHM and posted it online to his site (and without giving appropriate credit to ScriptLogic unfortunately)
Lonkero: I'm just offering a suggestion to save you time.
What I'm trying to say is that it is fine to have 10 KiXtart-focused sites with published HTML help pages, but it is foolish for 10+ people to maintain their own html source files. Why not simply repost & share what has already been done? Yes, use someone else's work -- just get permission first and give appropriate credit to the author(s), and maybe even improve it.
ScriptLogic already did it [and with all bias] I can say that they did a damn good job -- they even improved on the original (you have to admit that those 'see also' hyperlinks help tremendously)!
http://www.scriptlogic.com/kixtart/htmlhelp/Reference/!keyword-index.htm
Just my two cents, but the advice (opinion?) is offered becuase I know how valuable time is -- mine, yours, everyone's...
-Brian
PS - Lligfeta: you can do full text searches in the compiled (CHM) version today -- always could. Are you looking for something in addition to that?
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#96675 - 2002-12-07 05:51 AM
Re: KiXtart LightWeight Manual Reference
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Anonymous
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Lonkero,
You can do what you want with your time. I am only trying to help. The help is free -- so is the advice -- you need not take it, but the offer remains.
Regarding the HTML help: The pages at helpdesk.kixtart.org are identical to those of the CHM (and online reference) from ScriptLogic.com. If you agree, as you should (just look at them both), then it is obvious that someone copied someone else's work. You either believe Brian Peterson or me -- there is no middle ground.
It appears that you believe Brian Peterson -- too bad - he is a liar. I have just posted a reply to the other thread. I'm not insulted you don't believe me (just disappointed). As mentioned in the other post, this is obviously somthing that is really annoying me now. I kindly ask you to ask Ruud about the author of those HTML pages. Ruud knows, because the real author sends the source to Ruud on a regular basis.
Lastly, I'm not sure I understand your last statement about the kixtart forum @ scriptlogic.com. Are you saying that it is not as busy as this board, therefore should be discontinued? Remember: ScriptLogic's site was the first to introduce the Beta and Wish List (Suggestions) forums for KiXtart. That ideas was promptly copied here. A lot of good ideas and helpful work come out of ScriptLogic (obviously good work, since so much of it is copied). I think that the more they contribute to the KiXtart community the better!
-Brian
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#96676 - 2002-12-07 06:07 AM
Re: KiXtart LightWeight Manual Reference
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Lonkero
KiX Master Guru
Registered: 2001-06-05
Posts: 22346
Loc: OK
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read that comment in there.
why I believe brian? it's just that he said he did something.
you saing he is liar, can't decide.
I have no hard copy of what everyone has done, so how could I know it is direct copy?
what if he just make it just the same? not sounding so wise cause then someone would accuse, but anyway.
what comes to connecting ruud about, it's hard enough to get ruud's attention on bug informs to not harden it with this kind of stuff.
and then, the kixtart board thing, I was referring your talks about having spread resources like the help-file.
my intension was to say, that there is room in the world. as long as it's not bad, it's good.
right?
and as most important, help is welcome and surely will ask once needed...
or, once my pride gives me permission.
bottom line is, what more coded and seated on me chair, monitoring www and searching for something, the more I give respect to scriptlogic.
not because of it's product (not used), not because it's un-replaceable, but purely because it has done so much work which is helpfull to persons not using it's products. and that all free.
almost forgot...
about copying the board names, we should go back to those threads where the new boards were discussed.
I can't believe that there is 1 person limit who may invent the same thing.
cheers.
btw, where is that beta forum?
can't seem to find...
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