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#96475 - 2002-12-01 04:38 AM URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Dear members,

Recently we detect that some of our topics were moved to another forum. A move
without any notification to use.
The problem is that a lot of relevant topics are directly linked by our site. So
users can get unexpected situation.

The URGENT status is, that it can be hard for a user to find back his own topic
when it is ONLY A MOVE operation. Only a move operation doesn't change the
last post status and doesn't result in an entry in f.e. Today's Active
Topics
list. Such status change is necessary to make it possible for members
to catch those moved items.
It is an unwanted side effect from moving topics to another forum.

Our suggestion is that moderators add an reaction after the move is completed to
it.
F.e.
quote:

(moderator MCA moves topic F12-00177 this this forum)

and to make it complete: send owner a short mail to inform him.
greetings.

btw: as user you can following message on the screen F12-00177
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#96476 - 2002-12-01 04:40 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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so, that is bug.
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#96477 - 2002-12-01 04:44 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Well, I moved some threads today, but on every one I moved, I selected the check box to notify the author. So if it was one of my moves, you should have gotten an email. If you didn't then it is a UBB problem.
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#96478 - 2002-12-01 04:55 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Dear,

In our situation we doesn't receive any mail about it. We just know that some of our
entries were still on the original location on 19 November 2002.
So that is why we suggest to add a moderator note to the topic after completion
of move operation.
Another big problem is that the search engine shows the old location (see f.e. F13-177).
greetings.
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#96479 - 2002-12-01 05:01 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Adding a note at the end of the thread would only be of value if the author happened to be on the board to see it.

In the case of your topic, Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks I did add the following comment to the top. I also checked:
Notify topic starter of this move?

{moderator} moved topic to General Discussions

[ 30. November 2002, 17:09: Message edited by: LLigetfa ]
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#96480 - 2002-12-01 05:09 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Dear Les,

Even when we are on a long vacation we will see topics with such note, because it will fit
within the specified range of show topics from last X days.
So it isn't really necessary that a member sees his topic on the same day.
greetings.

[ 01. December 2002, 05:09: Message edited by: MCA ]
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#96481 - 2002-12-01 05:12 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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so, now it's MCA's turn to go crazy with the names [Wink]
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#96482 - 2002-12-01 05:17 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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I know Lonkero has multiple split personalities but LLigetfa is NOT one of them.

A moved thread, whether replied to or not would still show up with "show topics from last X days".
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#96483 - 2002-12-01 05:33 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Dear Les,

Normally we are looking only at the last 5 days.
Just our vacation makes the period much bigger.
A member doesn't see his topic, when it doesn't belong to his specified range. General it are
only the last ten days.
It is really necessary that something is changing to move it within this range.

Now we know that the mailsystem doesn't work properly we can inform to owner by adding
a reaction to his topic.
greetings.
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#96484 - 2002-12-01 04:29 PM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Isn't the notification sent by PM? What if a poster has PM disabled?
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#96485 - 2002-12-01 08:57 PM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Don't know how it is done. Guess one could move one's own thread as a test...
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#96486 - 2002-12-01 11:34 PM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Dear,

It is not only important for owners but also for other members to know that a topic
was moved. To catch those moves it is in our opinion important that is will show up
in show topics from last X days list.
Each regular and active member knows when he was last on the board and for them
it should be possible to see what is happening during that period.

Also we should be reserved with moving old topics. It can't be necessary and it
isn't unwanted situation to move all kind of topics when a new forum appears.

In our situation the PM part is disabled.
greetings.
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#96487 - 2002-12-02 09:22 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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well, for udf forum I see removing old topics acceptable.
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#96488 - 2002-12-04 10:33 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Dear,

To prevent unexpected errors we have made a complete rebuild of our UDF and FAQ pa-
ges. Normally we add last modifications to it. So you will not see those items who were
moved to another forum on it.

Results UDF & FAQ

Also possible URL link problems has been solve. Yesterday the prefix of some URL links
were changed. We are now compliant with it.
greetings.

btw: Scriptlogic is upgrading their site. So related page will not change during
that period and so it is also possible that you see unexpected result. Please wait.
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#96489 - 2002-12-04 10:47 PM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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MCA,

I just wanted to say thank you for the GOOD and Hard work you've done with mining all this data and putting it into a presentable format.

I for one appreciate your hard work.

Thanks again.

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#96490 - 2002-12-05 03:53 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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I second that! [Smile]
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#96491 - 2002-12-05 03:58 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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I third that ! [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]
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#96492 - 2002-12-05 03:59 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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me eight that! [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

anyone doing better?
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#96493 - 2002-12-05 03:59 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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Thanks guys. Sometimes we become speakless.
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#96494 - 2002-12-05 05:41 AM Re: URGENT: unexpected results after moving topics without notification
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MCA,
I see your fingers never suffer that affliction. [Big Grin]
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