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#96404 - 2002-08-03 06:08 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Dear,

We have receive an amount of mail about it. We give a combined reply on it.
greatings.
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#96405 - 2002-08-03 11:06 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Les,

Sorry for the no reply. Was running late and had a lot of other chores at home. Still in the middle of the remodel.

Yes.. I am against renaming the STARTERS forum.

Personally I would rather ADD another forum called GENERAL which could/should be used for all the stuff that does not really fit into the STARTERS/SCRIPTS forums. Even some of this CHIT-CHAT that we're all doing that has nothing to do with KiXtart. Or questions in general that some of us ask about other issues that are not KiXtart related either.

I like the idea of having a STARTERS forum that allows new users to ask newbie questions and such. I would really like the SCRIPTS forum to be more of a HEAVY DUTY Scripts forum then it currently is. i.e. Many members are writing some quite advanced scripts which are nice to find in SCRIPTS. What I'm afraid of is that the STARTERS forum will turn into a WASTE BASKET of everything under the sun to such a point that it may end up rarely having anything to do with KiXtart, and NEW USERS won't have a dedicated place to turn to for the help we all either need or did need at one time or another. If you have 200 posts and none of them are KiXtart related... pretty soon you may quit reading the forum as a NEW USER.

GENERAL All topics/ideas/suggestions that may or may not relate to KiXtart or may not properly relate to one of the other forums.

STARTERS When you are new to KiXtart, you can post your KiXtart related questions here.

SCRIPTS Discussion/Examples of scripts can be posted/discussed here.

COM Scripting Discussion on COM automation (includes ADSI, WMI, etc. within the context of KiXtart).

UDF Library User Defined Functions Library

BETA This forum is intended to discuss KiXtart betas.

Suggestions Discussion of new KiXtart features and suggestions for new KiXtart releases.

FAQ Here you can find common answers to commonly asked questions...

I agree with others that we don't want TOO many forums... but I really don't want to Pollute any of the other forums with the odds-n-ends type of posts.

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#96406 - 2002-08-03 02:12 PM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Doc's idea sounds good to me.
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#96407 - 2002-08-03 10:28 PM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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I have to agree with NTDOC, too. Adding a 'General' forum is not a bad idea, however, we really should keep the number of forums at a minimum.
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#96408 - 2002-08-04 03:40 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Dear,

We find the suggestions for updating forum description page of NTDOC great.
We don't find it necessary to create again a new forum, because the amount
of none kixtart related stuff isn't so much. Newbies who sees f.e. a general
forum think "we can add all kind of stuff on this board", but is that what
we want. Aren't we trying to keep such OFF-TOPIC limited.

Now we knows Henri is reserving time for a possible implementation of
an upgrade within about two weeks we have the possibility that some pages
and links becomes also up to date.

Some TO_DO things on this forum can be:
  • main page- information update with latest kixtart 4.10 release
    - moderator's note
    - actual links to most recent documentation.
    quote:

    KiXtart is a logon script processor and enhanced batch scripting language for
    computers running Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows NT or Windows 9x in
    a Windows Networking environment.

    The latest version (4.10) is of 8 july 2002 and can be downloaded here.

    The KiXtart free-format scripting language can be used to display information, set
    environment variables, start programs, connect to network drives, read or edit the
    registry change the current drive and directory and much more.

    KiXtart 2001 (version 4.x) is based on KiXtart 95, and is designed to be fully
    backward compatible. However, some restrictions apply. Please see the "What's
    New" section for full details.

    KiXtart 2001 was developed by Ruud van Velsen of Microsoft Netherlands

    What's New
    KiXtart 2001 is based on KiXtart 95. Most functionality provided by KiXtart 95 is
    available with KiXtart 2001.

    New features in KiXtart 2001 include: Full support for the new Windows 2000
    groups (universal and nested groups), COM automation (providing access to
    ADSI, ADO, WMI, etc), User defined functions, floating point math, Speed: KiXtart
    is faster than ever before, Loads and loads of exciting new bits and pieces.

    Note
    Apart from exciting new features, KiXtart 2001 also introduces a new distribution
    policy: KiXtart 2001 is provided to you as CareWare. Please see "KiXtart: Do
    You Care?
    " for full details.

    When you have problems or questions after you have read the manual v3.63 or v4.00
    please use the bulletinboard. This way other users will also benefit..
    In order to make your experience here more productive and enjoyable, you should
    understand how the board works. These links will familarize you with the etiquette
    and workings of the board.

    Frequently Asked Questions

    ABC's of KiXtart board etiquette

    It can be possible that one of the moderators supports you. About their
    contributions read Moderator's message to new forum users

    If you have comments about this site, please let me know!

    Henri Wiering
    henri@kixtart.nl

  • downloads
    - actualizes help file in "various" section. Current available version is kixhelp410.chm
  • command reference
    - current page contains kixtart information from an old release. possible
    that one member can prepare a new version for this. Our suggestion is that
    users can jump from command reference index to related descriptions.

    our suggestion

    Also it is possible that it is replacing by the CHM version of it.
    Scriptlogic does always a very good job and they are very actual with
    it. It is also a version which is loving by members very much.
    Current format is doing all things over again. Over again with the
    information we find in the manual-doc section.
  • manual index
    - current page doesn't contain latest kixtart 4.10 information.

    Request for other members

    Possible that one member can prepare a new version for this. In a equal
    format.
  • manual-doc
    - points now to the kixtart 3.63 release. Suggestion is to point
    it to the latest one.
  • release notes
    - contains now history list with ends with kixtart 4.00 beta 1. we suggest
    to make this also actual.
    In next reaction we have add an extension for it. We have use as input
    the Scriptlogic's Development Report for
    this update. bstyles we hope you
    doesn't have a problem with using this information for Henri's page. We update
    kixtart versions with "release types" and "version of builds".
  • links
    - it is possible for you to mail Henri useful links. He requires also a short
    of it. At this moment we have only a problem with the site KiXtart Editor.
greetings.

For other remarks and TO-DO's see also one of our next reactions.
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#96409 - 2002-08-04 03:43 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Our extensions to the release notes section.

In next reaction we have add an extension for it. We have use as input the Scriptlogic's Development Report for
this update. bstyles we hope you doesn't have a problem with using this information
for Henri's page. We update kixtart versions with "release types" and "version of builds".

4.11 beta 2 (build 101)
  • The MD command will now create a multi-level directory structure (just like MMD.exe).
  • The WriteValue function will now auto-create the key structure if needed when writing a value.
4.11 beta 1 (build 100)
  • Added support for multi-dimension arrays.
  • Added function to retrieve a free file handle: FreeFileHandle( ).
  • Enhanced @CPU on Pentium 4.
  • No longer create a console when empty strings are output.
4.10 final re-release (build 99) & 4.10 final release (build 98)
  • Added support for floating point math, including math functions: Abs, Int, Fix, Round, Cstr, CInt, CDbl, FormatNumber.
  • Added mod operator.
  • Added @LOGONMODE, @CPU, @MHZ, @SCRIPTNAME.
  • Enhanced Sleep command to accept milliseconds.
  • Enhanced KX32.DLL to load KX16.DLL in same directory.
  • Added restore of console attributes after runtime error.
  • Fixed Exception error when enumerating WinInstaller objects.
  • Variable with zero-length name ('$') is no longer resolved when used inside strings.
  • Added NoVarsInStrings option. If this option is ON, variables inside strings are not resolved.
  • Added EXPLICIT option. If EXPLICIT is ON, all variables must be explicitly declared before they can be used.
  • Ingroup now supports multiple arguments and arrays.
  • Added Join function.
  • Added IsDeclared function.
  • Added the ability to use default properties of COM objects.
  • No longer logs errors concerning @ADDRESS.
  • Added handling of situation where KiX32 runs in the LocalSystem security context.
  • KXRPC client side is now downward compatible (with pre-4.x versions of KXRPC).
  • Added commandline argument (/r) to change the KXRPC search order.
4.10 rc-2 (build 95)
  • Added Join( ) function.
  • InGroup( ) accepts multiple group names (either directly, or in an array).
  • Added NoVarsInStrings SetOption( ).
  • Improved handling of (stack fault) exceptions.
  • KXRPC location order is now configurable.
  • KXRPC client is now downward compatible.
  • Support for default properties/methods of COM objects.
  • Various fixes and minor enhancements.
4.10 rc-1 (build ??)
  • Variable with zero-length name ('$') is no longer resolved when used inside strings.
  • Added EXPLICIT SetOption( ). If EXPLICIT is set to ON, all variables must be explicitly declared before they can be used.
  • InGroup( ) now supports multiple arguments.
4.10 beta 1 (build 84)
  • Added mod operator
  • New functions: MemorySize( ), FormatNumber( )
  • New macros: @CPU and @MHZ macros
  • Enhanced Sleep command to accept milliseconds
  • Enhanced KX32.DLL to load KX16.DLL in same directory
  • Added restore of console attributes after runtime error
  • Fixed Exception error when enumerating WinInstaller objects
4.10 alpha
  • Added support for floating point math
  • New functions: Abs(), Int(), Fix(), Round(), CStr(), CInt() and CDbl()
  • New macros: @SCRIPTNAME and @LOGONMODE (indicates whether KiX thinks it is being run during the logon sequence)
4.02 final release (build 71)
  • Added workaround for 'Failed to set DACL' error on Windows NT 4.0
  • Changed default script-extension search order to .KIX, followed by .SCR
  • Fixed performance issue in UBound(), VarType(), VarTypeName()
  • Enhanced SidToName() to drop prefix of well known/built-in SIDs
  • 'Close' menu option of console is now removed (rather than grayed), unless run in debug mode or run outside the logon sequence
  • Added a 'token-cache' on Windows NT/2000/XP. The token-cache stores SID-to-groupname mappings, and speeds up the overall startup process
4.01 final release (build 64)
  • Fixed incorrect error code after retrieving network information
4.00 final release (build 62)
  • Resolved hard linking to ADVAPI32.dll on Windows 95 clients
  • Fixed problem with setting/resetting global flags (e.g. "Debug on")
4.00 rc-4 (build 59)
  • FlushKb fixed
  • New functions added: left(), right(), trim(), instrrev()
  • New macro added: @CRLF
  • Two new SetOption parameters added: SetOption("hidecursor","on"), SetOption("wrapateol","on")
4.00 rc-3 (build 50)
  • Peek( ) function renamed to KbHit( )
4.00 rc-2
  • Limited LogEvent string to 32K
  • Fixed regression with (mixed) operands (eg "? 100 / 10" )
  • Improved handling of empty UDF's
  • Corrected REDIM to work like DIM
  • Removed overflow GPF's
  • InStr( ) now supports case-sensitivity option
  • Added @TICKS (returns milliseconds since boot)
  • Added peek( ) function
  • Removed dependencies on DCOM 1.2
4.00 rc-1 (build 45)
  • corrected @SERROR for @ERROR = 0
  • changed errormessage for @ADDRESS to a warning
  • corrected producttypes on win9x
  • COLOR no longer creates console
  • fixed issue with DelTree hanging on key with not enough permissions
  • corrected upper bound of arrays
  • DEBUG ON now creates/unhides console
  • fixed issue with nested FOR EACH loops
  • removed dependency on IPHLPAPI.DLL
  • greatly improved COM automation
  • improved parser performance
  • renamed executables to KIX32.EXE (good old console version) and WKIX32.EXE (console-less version)
  • @PRODUCTTYPES enhanced to include Windows 2000 and Windows XP
  • Added @BUILD macro
  • Added option to completely disable debugging: SetOption("DisableDebugging","On")
  • Shell/Run no longer display a console if/when used with the console-less version
  • Fixed redim preserve issue
  • Fixed @SCRIPTDIR in UDF's and in Execute()
  • Fixed GO (could GPF)
  • Fixed Dir() (broken, could GPF)
  • Fixed returning arrays from UDF's
  • Fixed handling of expression where the 2nd operand is a string
  • Enhanced handling of groups (local groups of local NT system, etc.)
4.00 beta 2a (build 11)
  • Fixed "USE /del" command
  • Fixed DISPLAY command
4.00 beta 2 (build 10)
  • changed Execute() to use (variable) scope of calling function/script
  • added REDIM statement
  • added DEBUG ON / OFF
  • added ability to run any type of command from debugger
  • added case sensitive comparison operator (==)
  • added NOT
  • enhanced FOR EACH to allow any expression for the collection
  • added ability to read HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG
  • added HKEY shortcuts (HKLM, HKCU, HKCR, HKU, HKCC)
  • fixed incorrect returnvalue of ReadType()
  • fixed RND()
  • fixed GPF when SetFocus() was used on a undefined window
  • fixed issue with duplicate DIMs
  • fixed FOR NEXT where start value equals end value
  • fixed incorrect returnvalue of SetASCII()
  • fixed RETURNing from UDF's
  • fixed GPF with empty UDF's
  • fixed skipping of first command in UDF without arguments
  • fixed GOTO from FOR NEXT loop
  • KXRPC now supports all types of groups (Universal, nested global, etc)
    KX32, KX16 and KX95.DLL are fully compatible with the most recent version that shipped with KiXtart 95. As such, there is no need to replace these files.
  • COM automation is not yet fully enabled in this release.
greetings.

[ 05 August 2002, 04:12: Message edited by: MCA ]
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#96410 - 2002-08-04 09:39 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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For an example of new look-n-feel see board Forum with UBB 6.3.1.
A nice thing is his Forum Policies and Info at the bottom of each
forum and the way he is showing the forum description at the top.

An UBB.Classic board from Infopop with latest release.

Possible an idea for this board, Henri?
greetings.

[ 04 August 2002, 12:03: Message edited by: MCA ]
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#96411 - 2002-08-04 11:17 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Dear,

Informative and changes with UBB 6.3.1 we discover
  • user can add an avatar image. this is pictue which will be showed on each
    post of you. possible that you can use your own picture for it.
  • with you can "post a reply with quote"
  • with you can "report this post to a Moderator", which can be done
    without membership and which can be do to each reaction in a topic.
  • it looks like that the current topic URL links
    for topics ("http://81.17.37.55/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000216;p=2")
    and
    for user ("http://81.17.37.55/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile;u=00000732")
    stay the same. so no broken links.
  • it looks like that on our example UBB the problem with too long lines is over. At
    least we know that the layout can be nice like in the earlier days.
    during the "print-friendly view of this topic" our information is also processed in
    another way.
    original post with layout frustations
    print-friendly version without layout frustations.
  • It looks like that "Today's Active Topics - 24hours?" or "Yesterday's Active Topics"
    is still not possible. We have put a question about it on the Infopop board (see below)
  • Jump to New Posts link Located at the top of each topic - when clicked, it takes users
    to the posts in that topic that were made after their last visit to the board. Also known as
    the "blue arrow".
and this are the relevant release notes from Infopop 6.3.0 and 6.3.1
First, our input are only suggestions.
Some TO-DO's and some remarks:
  • sometimes we have problem with adding post. It has to deal with the way HTML code
    is interpretating.
    Possible that Henri can turn off HTML in messages per forum, when we want it.
    For newbies it can very frustating, that he gets such unexpected errors like
    Sorry, we do not permits this HTML tag: Parenthesis in HTML tag
    Above problem can cal already happen with symbols like "<" and ">".
    There are some changes made to HTML. Possible disabling isn't necessary.
  • the forums beta and suggestions get also moderators.
  • the forum COM scripting gets a second moderator.
  • possible to get a central location on "http://kixtart.org" board to upload files.
    Our suggestion is that all moderators get access to same location. They maintain it
    together.
    Possible that Henri creates a directory for it, makes a URL link to a index.htm
    file and sends all moderators the username/password combination.
  • In a poll from Henri in the past we see
    - 94% is using kixtart
    - 94% find this board useful
    - 76% rate the speed of this board as fast and only 6% as slow. slow? with a
    mean speed of 4mbps we are very happy.
    Mostly a slow response and/or performance has to deal with what you are doing on
    your own system. During a heavy download (above 10mbps) we must have some patience,
    but a complete page returns.
  • cj's remark about "searching by member name, IDK everyones ID and it is
    extra steps to find them"
    is
    with our favorite page Statistics - BB Specials for
    TOP50 members much easier.

    For a search by registered you still have only member number.
  • possible questions about read-hits can't been solved.
    from Infopop we get following answer:

    There are no topic view count features available in UBB.classic. That feature is available
    in all of our other message board products, however (UBB.threads, UBB.x, and OpenTopic).
    We cannot include that feature in UBB.classic simply because the architecture of the ap-
    plication will not support it (that is a fancy way of saying that because UBB.classic is
    a flat-file system, any boards that are of even moderate size would suffer in terms of
    performance if we added this feature).

    Ted O'Neill
    CEO, Infopop Corporation
  • URL links in message on board appear to be broken now is a topic on this
    board, which handles about problems with latest upgrade. We hope that their
    will no problems this time with it.
    Still we doesn't understand why Infopop should change those link specification.
    A previous reaction of us was:

    Why is "Infopop" changing links to topics at all. In our opinion it
    should and must be transparant. By previous upgrade the old link points
    to the old contents which can't be upgraded by members. Specified links
    in reactions aren't upgraded also which isn't also very bad.

    A short investigation on another board (above reaction contains URL link) shows, that
    the URL defintions are the same.
Question from us on Infopop board:
  • "Today's Active Topics - 24hours?" or "Yesterday's Active Topics" list?and related topics on this board are
    Today's Active Topics - 24 hours? www.infopop.com
    Today's Active Topics - 24 hours? www.UBBDev.com
    btw: Howard Bullock receive earlier as reaction from Infopop. Howard's question
    was
    quote:

    This feature is problematic for bulletin boards such as http://Kixtart.org that are global in nature. The feature starts a fresh page of topics at midnight local time which happens to be in the middle of the day for many active users. The more active users would appreciate a way to change this behavior to return a list of active topics within the last 24 hour period. This way regardless of where in the world we are we can get a quick list of topics that need our attention any time of the day.

    Infopop's reaction was
    quote:

    Howard,

    We looked at the situation, and at this time there isn't a one-line code fix that would
    correct the problem.

    Our UBB project manager is aware of the situation, and he informed me, we will try to
    incorporate a fix in the next major UBB version release.

    Please let me know if you have further questions or concerns.
    Kind regards,

    Customer Support Lead
    Infopop Corporation



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#96412 - 2002-08-05 03:27 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Dear,

Some known problems within new UBB 6.3.1 release

  • there are problems with the search engine. it returns a link to each post thread in
    same topic.
    This can be a major problem before starting an upgrade.
    An extraction from Infopop topic is:

    In the past, searches would match on each thread. Now they match on each post within a
    thread! So if 1 thread has 50 posts with a match, it returns as 50 different hits in
    the search! This has the further impact of cutting into the 300 hit maximum returned
    and effectively renders the search engine useless?

    the related link is Search changes in 6.3.1
  • the date presentation of European format can be wrong.

    An extraction from Infopop topic is:

    Hi. I have my date set to European format (28 July 2002) and everywhere on the forum,
    it looks like this:

    28. July 2002

    How do I get that period out of there? I looked at ubb_forum and a few other pages
    that do $TheDate, but I didn't see where it was forcing a period.

    Also a guy return a solution for it. His answer is
    quote:

    In ubb_lib_time.cgi, there is a section that says this:

    #date format options
    if ($vars_time{DateFormat} eq "US") {
    $FormattedDate = $_[0];
    } elsif ($vars_time{DateFormat} eq "Euro") {
    $FormattedDate = "$mday.$mon.$year";
    } elsif ($vars_time{DateFormat} eq "USX") {
    $FormattedDate = "$months[$mon] $mday, $year";
    } else {
    $FormattedDate = "$mday. $months[$mon] $year";
    }
    return ($FormattedDate);

    I just changed $mday. to $mday in that last one, and voila. I guess you could say I've hacked your board, but for one character, I hardly feel like a naughty person

    the related link is 6.3.1 date display
greetings.

btw: we have mail Henri to look at this thread.
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#96413 - 2002-08-05 07:33 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Here I am! I've taken a look at all your suggestions/feedback etc.
I'll probably upgrade the board this week and also will try to solve other issues mentioned in this thread.

Henri

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#96414 - 2002-08-05 02:35 PM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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There he is [Big Grin]

The new UBB functions seems great [Smile] These are though, functions that for example VBB (most "functionrich" forum out there, especially together with all the hacks that are made) and PHPBB (not all mentioned, but PHPBB is also free which VBB isn't).

The layout that NTDOC suggests is good [Smile] I've also missed a "General" section. I'm moderating a few other boards (both on the net and on our intranet), and what makes a board thrive and develop is the "chat", if you know what I mean [Wink] There must be room for conversation, about pretty much anything on a board, or it will die and/or jut have alot of "one time visitors", that comes with a specific problem at hand, and leaves when done.

The new 4.11 functions also seems very promising! FreeFileHandle( ), MD, and WriteValue - all missed functions!
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#96415 - 2002-08-06 12:07 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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henri, does this mean that your vacation is over? [Frown]
anyway good to have you back, since we probably have something to discuss on...

you might be getting some suggestion e-mail also as some of us have some suggestions that must be directed to you.

regards.
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#96416 - 2002-08-06 08:53 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Vacation is over yes..... :-(
The board has been upgraded! Now on to the next upgrade.

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#96417 - 2002-08-06 09:09 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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not so different but something noticeable.

thanky.
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#96418 - 2002-08-06 02:40 PM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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MCA,
You said in your notes that the long lines issue should be fixed in this version. I just checked a LONG LINES POST and it still sideways scrolls.

BTW, Isn't long lines one of what you call "layout frustrations"?
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#96419 - 2002-08-06 06:32 PM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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My 2 cents,

I like DOC's idea as well. I think it would make the board easier to use for newbees. There will always be side issues to discuss. Taking these out of other forums will help make the structure of the board cleaner to outsiders.

Mabe a name like "discussions" might be more appropriate than "general". This might be a good forum to host the kixgolf discussions.
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#96420 - 2002-08-06 07:32 PM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Thanks for everyone's input on the off-topic sidebar I took, namely that of renaming "Starters".  Basically, this is my (unscientific) take on the responses with my comments interspersed.

Most feel that we need a "General" section, that the "Starters" is not always appropriate and that "Scripts" is not always a good fit as an alternative.  Most also feel that we don't need/want more (or too many) forums.

I question the intent of "Starters" and "Scripts".  This is after all, a scripting forum so most topics could fall under "Scripts" but the by-line confuses.  Should there then be a script posted with every new thread?  Then there's "Starters". What sets them apart? I see long-timers post stuff that's of starters calibre and starters post stuff that's pretty advanced.  Once again, the by-line confuses.  That was why
I thought that to rename "Starters" would be the simplest but the idea did not carry.

The second idea (NT DOC's) was to keep "Starters" and to add a "General" forum to keep non-relevant topics out of the other forums.  Like the idea of the bell on the cat, it is fine but who will moderate it?

Jack,
All the forums are, by their nature, "discussion" forums, so I'd have to go with NT DOC's suggestion for name and by-line.

MCA,
I'm not to clear on our position.  In one breath, you say "We find the suggestions for updating forum description page of NTDOC great", which I infer as yes on the "General" forum, as that is the only real change from the existing page.  In the next breath, you say "We don't find it necessary to create again a new forum".  If that is the case then what change of NT DOC's do you find "great"?

If we have consensus, then all we need is a moderator or two and of course, Henri's blessing.
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#96421 - 2002-08-06 11:38 PM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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I don't believe we are lack of resources les.
just that we can't decide. what you saw on mca's comments seems to be the way.
nobody really seems to know what they vote for.

anyway, I suggested a name change a month ago and it did not catch flame nor seems to catch the new forum.
if we would ask for keeping the current forums or ask if we could remove them all and add some new one's... I think neither of those suggestions catch flame either.
like, who really cares? or wants to participate?

there is some suggestions raised in this topic and I think everyone should take step for voting for one of them. just for clarity's sake.

just to make sure, I'm not against anything here. only wanting to make point that we should have one goal for this bb:
be the only and best kixtart.ORG
...even after 10 years from now.

this means, we don't need all the funcy stuff...

ok, I'm starting really to preach now so I'll stop.
I hope you fellow's all get the point.

good wishes from the weird one!

[ 07. August 2002, 09:22: Message edited by: Lonkero ]
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#96422 - 2002-08-07 08:48 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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Dear,

Les, we were talking about
quote:

it looks like that on our example UBB the problem with too long lines is over. At
least we know that the layout can be nice like in the earlier days.
during the "print-friendly view of this topic" our information is also processed in
another way.

which means:
during analyse of some boards with running UBB 6.3.1 we doesn't see too long lines,
which possible had to deal with a redesign of CGI code for this action. The based
information is also used by the "printer-friendly view of topics" action, which does
not have too long lines as text.
This was already so in the preview UBB 6.2.1 release.
So there should taken two actions:
  • verify too long lines as text and code in a new topic. Our conlusion - when we read
    LLigetfa's reaction in this topic from posted "06. August 2002 19:32" - we see that a
    very long text line is trunacting in the right way. So good news.
  • search on Infopop board for a possible solution. Mostly some guys suggest some
    corrections for it, or it is just a setting in UBB configuration, or there must be
    installed a patch for it.
Don't forget text in [code] and [/code] block will not have line wrap capabilities.
F.e. you see now the "05. August 2002" as date format instead of "05 August 2002".
In a new release this will be solved by Infopop.

Les, indeed too long lines can be see as "layout frustrations". To solve that we suggest to
use the "printer-friendly view" of those topics.

Jack, when there comes a new forum for more general-topics, off-topics, UBB-
topics and other none kixtart stuff we choose for general. Discussions are
also possible on a general forum, but what is the problem with the discussion of
kixtart related topic on a 'kixtart' forum.
A good subject description can influence the interest for it. Also the forum selected
may influence the interest for reading it. Only the "Today Active Topics" users see
mostly all topics.

Les, indeed as new forum requires new moderator(s). First let we regulate
it for the current forums.

Les, your note
quote:

I'm not to clear on our position. In one breath, you say "We find the suggestions
for updating forum description page of NTDOC great", which I infer as yes on the
"General" forum, as that is the only real change from the existing page.
In the next breath, you say "We don't find it necessary to create again a new forum".
If that is the case then what change of NT DOC's do you find "great"?

Les, there are differences between "forum names" and "forum descriptions". We support
the suggested descriptions by NTDOC, which doesn't infere that we need a "General"
forum.
When everybody wants a "general" forum we support his description for it too. So
we doesn't see that our reaction contains some contradictions.

Lonkero, we agree with you that there must come a voting issue.

greetings.

btw: thanks Henri with completing the recent upgrade. no big suprises for us.
we must only implement a little modification for the introduced known bug of date
specification.
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#96423 - 2002-08-08 02:38 AM Re: Question: Henri, when implementing new UBB 6.3.1 release? within two weeks
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After thinking about it, Les' point is valid & "general" sounds good to me. I agree all forums should contain an element of discussion.

Yet, I think some of the long discussions (often with 20 or more posts) by insiders are confusing for newbees. I think my level of comprehension is above average but about half of these long discussions leave me behind. I believe these discussions create a positive synergy on the board but often they are not related to “starters”, “scripts”, or “suggestions”, etc.

But, I don't consider this a big issue. I like the board the way it is now but I think NTDoc's suggestion has merits.

[ 08. August 2002, 16:28: Message edited by: Jack Lothian ]
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