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#95932 - 2002-11-20 10:30 PM Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11628 Loc: CA	Shawn... do you work for this company? quote: Canadian broadband provider Sympatico, owned by Bell Canada, sparked concern among some of its customers by introducing a 5Gb "bit cap" before making any metering tool available for users to check the amount of data they had downloaded. Price caps take off in US
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#95933 - 2002-11-20 10:35 PM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	doc, is your site down? {edit} ok, it's back [ 20. November 2002, 22:39: Message edited by: Lonkero ] _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#95934 - 2002-11-20 11:16 PM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Waltz Waltz Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-01 Posts: 485 Loc: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada	FWIW... Sympatico.ca announced download caps in july/august - why? - they claimed 175 out of 700,000 users were regularly abusing download amounts and causing havoc on their network... For many of us in Canada, sympatico is the weapon of choice for home use, as they probably have the widest coverage in a very wide country... I'm almost positive that Shawn does not work for them - it's more likely his home service provider... _________________________ We all live in a Yellow Subroutine...
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#95935 - 2002-11-20 11:28 PM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	hehee, I work indirectly for Bell Canada - I used to be a Bell Canada employee until they outsourced us to a Bell Canada subsidiary. Sympatico is owned by Bell Canada. My email address is stassie@sympatico.ca so Im a sympatico customer. Yeah - this is old news and I was mighty pissed about it. I signed a contract for unlimited access than they go and decide to change the contract with impunity. Guess I could go somewhere else (cable) but I get an employee discount. The statement about the metering tools is an absolute lie ! They had been monitoring customer usage for month prior, and made a summary of accoutn usage available on day one - still do to this day. Why are we talking about this anyways ? -Shawn [ps] Did I say I was mighty pissed about them changing the rules ? The comment about a small portion of the users abusing the bandwidth and spoiling everything for everyone else is SOooo true. [ 20. November 2002, 23:32: Message edited by: Shawn ]
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#95936 - 2002-11-20 11:34 PM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	anything else to talk about? _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#95937 - 2002-11-21 02:14 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Waltz Waltz Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-01 Posts: 485 Loc: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada	To her credit, Ma Bell provides high-speed access to everyone in Canada...(if you have a telephone and a satellite dish and a pc and about $80 bucks a month that you want to flush)... You'd think in the land that invented the darn thing (about 30 minutes down the pike from here) that all phone thingies would be more reasonably priced... Hey, we're only talking about this 'cuz codtn asked, and every possible KiX question has already been addressed, and we don't have lives, and we don't have anything better to do, and the honey-do is honey-done, and yada yada yada... _________________________ We all live in a Yellow Subroutine...
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#95938 - 2002-11-21 02:20 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	lol Bell Canada does indeed provide service to even the most remotest of the remote northern areas in Canada ... except haven't quite made it to Les's place yet -Shawn [ 21. November 2002, 02:21: Message edited by: Shawn ]
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#95939 - 2002-11-21 02:22 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	Now you're mixing technology... satellites and DSL? _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#95940 - 2002-11-21 02:30 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Waltz Waltz Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-01 Posts: 485 Loc: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada	Not quite DSL... Regular dial-up connex to your sympatico isp for slow up-loads and piggy-back on your Express-vu satellite tv package for fast down-loads... _________________________ We all live in a Yellow Subroutine...
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#95941 - 2002-11-21 02:34 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	I may live in the bush but that doesn't mean I just crawled out from it. I do know how the satellite stuff works, but this thread started out talking about DSL, me thinks. A whole different technology. I don't think Shawn is beaming to us via satellite. _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#95942 - 2002-11-21 02:40 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11628 Loc: CA	Ah! I'm just pissed off that Australia and Canada have started down this trail of caping my limits and now the US money greedy (^*%&%^%)^ are going to want to do the same stupid thing. Shawn is beaming to us from GEEKLAND or is the KIXFORMSLAND a subsidary of Pa Tassie Inc.
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#95943 - 2002-11-21 03:04 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Im just pulling you leg there les ... and Doc ... I thought there was supposed to be a HUGE Internet Bandwidth surpass not just in Canada, but all over the world ... so whats the big freak,n concern here ... with Technology tanking, why piss-off your loyal customers ...
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#95944 - 2002-11-21 03:04 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Waltz Waltz Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-01 Posts: 485 Loc: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada	...not likely 'cuz he lives and works at the centre of the universe (go leafs go) and has high-speed dsl availability... ...the point being, if one happens to live in the bush or an igloo, like you and me, for example, one of our options is snail uploads and cheetah downloads... ...strange isn't it...the Yanks are usually the leaders in everything capitali$tic... [ 21. November 2002, 03:12: Message edited by: Waltz ] _________________________ We all live in a Yellow Subroutine...
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#95945 - 2002-11-21 03:12 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	Yeah... and elephantine prices! Not certain of the prices by hear that in ThBay you can get DSl for about $20. and cable for about $40. I think there are some bundle reqs though, like you need more than basic cable to get high speed for $40. I'd have to trade my StarChoice dish for a VU and then dig deep to get quasi high speed. Guess I'll stick with my 26.4 dial-up. _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#95946 - 2002-11-21 03:18 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11628 Loc: CA	26.4K Dang! I'd at least want 56K But, then again if cable caps and Satellite don't I'd probably think about dropping cable and go with Satellite yep we are the LEADER in snake oil and bleeding your wallet dry I think.
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#95947 - 2002-11-21 03:24 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Waltz Waltz Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-01 Posts: 485 Loc: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada	...lucky you at 26000...i've still got a 300 baud coupler in a box in the basement that i use only on rainy days... _________________________ We all live in a Yellow Subroutine...
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#95948 - 2002-11-21 03:29 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Howard Bullock Howard Bullock KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-09-15 Posts: 5809 Loc: Harrisburg, PA USA	I'll be pissed if Comcast/ATT raise my rates or limit my download bandwidth or total bytes. They already throttle my upload bandwidth. But what can I do? Four PCs 100MB to the cable-modem. Nothing less is acceptable anymore. _________________________ Home page: http://www.kixhelp.com/hb/
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#95949 - 2002-11-21 03:56 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Jack Lothian Jack Lothian MM club member Registered: 1999-10-22 Posts: 1169 Loc: Ottawa,Ontario, Canada	At home (where I am now) I run sympatico DSL. In the house I have a LAN with 4 users & the limit doesn't seem to affect us. My cost is $35 a month Canadian. My LAN & Internet is up 24/7 & to my knowledge sympatico is almost never down. Plus, I get 10 hours free a month to use with a dial-up modem. I let my daughter in Guelph use this & she essentially gets free access. All in all, I think sympatico is a good deal. My brother just outside Toronto is stuck with cable since he is just outside the 5 mile limit from a Bell switching station & he can not get Sympatico highspeed. Every time I talk to him his service is down. For some strange reason the cable company gives out fixed IP addresses & some jerk on his local node keeps stealing his IP address & he losses access. The cable company doesn't seem to care. He also pays exactly the same monthly rate that I do. Our local school used the satellite for a while & on average it seemed to give the same performance as Sympatico high speed or cable. Howard, Are you sure they purposely throttle your upload? As far as I know both cable & DSL have technical reasons that seriously affect upload speeds. My upload speed is about 1/4 or 1/3 of download speed. [ 21. November 2002, 04:03: Message edited by: Jack Lothian ] _________________________ Jack
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#95950 - 2002-11-21 04:02 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Howard Bullock Howard Bullock KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-09-15 Posts: 5809 Loc: Harrisburg, PA USA	I have never explored the technical side of the network via cable. I see the same different between up and down. When they told me that the upload was slower, I probably improperly assume they had control. _________________________ Home page: http://www.kixhelp.com/hb/
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#95951 - 2002-11-21 04:05 AM Re: Bandwidth limits in Canada - Shawn?
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	Uploads are slower on ADSL but not SDSL. I use SDSL modems back-to-back on my LAN as private DSL to extend my LAN beyond where I have fibre and CAT5. Unfortunately I cannot extend it to my house as Bell cannot provide an LDDS circuit. _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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