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#95901 - 2002-11-20 10:51 AM User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	FYI, I have a compiled Windows html help file available on my website of the UDFs KiXHelp.com This is a work in progress project... It will allow you to have a searchable help file that includes all the UDFs without having to be Online. Always use the website for the most current code updates, as I will not be able to keep this file as up to date as the Web sites can. Please let me know if you have any problems or suggestions. The file name is: UDF_Libraries.chm and is available in the Downloads section. The current file size is 478Kb
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#95902 - 2002-11-20 11:05 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Jochen Jochen KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-03-17 Posts: 6380 Loc: Stuttgart, Germany	The German jury gives : (The extra smilies for the hrs you must've spend on this) J. _________________________
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#95903 - 2002-11-20 11:13 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	nice, waiting for update found almost week old udf not listed. anyway, nice. the find and all. still, the sorting to be done. and yet, nice. _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#95904 - 2002-11-20 11:21 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	Actually Lonkero, if you read the first section... I put in a note about not adding a couple UDFs as I did not like the way they were posted. They were not normal posting. The one I think was the one that has 3 UDFs in one post. This list is only 2 days old per the code from Howards pl3 version.
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#95905 - 2002-11-20 11:36 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	ok, so what were the other 2? _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#95906 - 2002-11-20 01:20 PM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Bryce Bryce KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-02-29 Posts: 3167 Loc: Houston TX	NICE!
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#95907 - 2002-11-20 02:34 PM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Howard Bullock Howard Bullock KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-09-15 Posts: 5809 Loc: Harrisburg, PA USA	Boy, we love our UDFs. The next step would be to have Ruud put a hook into the next version of KiXtart that would autoload the UDFs from a compiled library if an undefined UDF is called in the code. We then could distribute the UDF library to all clients without bloating the script itself. _________________________ Home page: http://www.kixhelp.com/hb/
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#95908 - 2002-11-20 02:56 PM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Top notch stuff Ron ... cudos to all.
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#95909 - 2002-11-20 03:24 PM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Waltz Waltz Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-01 Posts: 485 Loc: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada	Very Well done... _________________________ We all live in a Yellow Subroutine...
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#95910 - 2002-11-20 04:09 PM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
krabourn krabourn Hey THIS is FUN Registered: 2000-12-11 Posts: 244 Loc: San Antonio, Texas, USA	Thank you very much!! _________________________ Kelly
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#95911 - 2002-11-21 01:32 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	My pleasure.. I'll continue to add the UDFs from ScriptLogic and sort all of these as well. I will have to try another method (like email) to use the ScriptLogic one, otherwise they will be quite ugly in the helpfile trying to grab them from the website. I'm also working on many other additions to the file, but thought the UDFs would appeal to at least a few of you. Thanks for checking it out.
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#95912 - 2002-11-21 01:52 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	Nice job Ron! Portable UDFs... Cool! I like Howard's idea of a 'load on demand' UDF system. Just put every conceivable UDF into a library and have KiX preparse the script looking for undefined UDFs and then load only those that are referenced from the library. Sounds like something for Suggestions. As for ScriptLogic's UDFs, do you plan to ask their permission before ripping them from their site? I don't see any TOU doc and can't see Brian objecting, but probably a common courtesy. _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#95913 - 2002-11-21 02:06 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	Oh! one more thing... Yeah, I know... like Columbo. On the Welcome page, nice logos but... It it the Bulletin Board you want to represent or the script? _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#95914 - 2002-11-21 02:10 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	Hmmm.... Interesting question. I've also seen it debated that information that is available to be posted by the public in general can not be copyrighted and is available for free usage. I suppose though from a Professional Courtesy point of view I should send an email to Brian and ask. Brian...you there lurking? I prefer the board in this case for the logo, but thanks for noticing.
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#95915 - 2002-11-21 02:22 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	hmmm... Do you know Brian's member number here? Trying to locate him on the ScriptLogic site is not easy. p.s. I think Lonkero is trying to set some record of posts over there at ScriptLogic as well. He seems to be in every other post.
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#95916 - 2002-11-21 02:25 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	You're sure to find him in the Beta forum. http://www.kixtart.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile;u=00001122 _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#95917 - 2002-11-21 02:29 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	The idea of "load on demand" seems cool on the surface, but in practice I'm not sure I'd want to use it myself. Having parsed all the UDFs from KiXtart, and not even including the ones from ScriptLogic yet, it takes some CPU time to get through all them. Not sure how fast/slow it would be in a compiled format, but still don't think it could/would be anywhere near as fast as it currently is. I only need to run a half dozen UDFs, so I only load them, rather then check/load all in memory and then only load local pointers to ones I'm referencing. Just seems like it would be SLOW! Then how to maintain a file that size when/if a user wants to update/modify his/her code. Currently KiXtart.org has about 275 UDFs plus however many are over at ScriptLogic. Even the logistics alone, not worrying about size or speed is a phenomenal exercise of management.
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#95918 - 2002-11-21 02:33 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	Thanks Les, He does not list an email address in his profile, but I sent him a PM as well. Maybe he'll get that.
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#95919 - 2002-11-21 06:07 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
Anonymous Anonymous Unregistered	Hey Ron, thanks for the PM. I just got back from a trip to the northeast and received it. Yes you have permission, just include a link to the site and author info. That said, perhaps we could help so that you don't have to type as much...? Remember, that the UDF library @ scriptlogic.com is a database. When UDFs are viewed, you're actually looking at a page in HTML that was generated by ASP/VBscript from the information in the DB. It would therefore be relatively easy for us to write a short program (could be an ASP page) that would 'compile' the UDFs, in the html layout you request, and mail them to you as htm pages. Basically we have this engine already, but your layout would be different. You'd probably have to still define them initially in the HTML help's TOC and file list, but it would make updates a breeze. To make it even better, we are converting the site to ASP.NET and the UDF library will be upgraded to include full syntax highlighting (just like your favorite editor), when viewing the UDF source code. Hope you think it is as cool as we do BTW: phase II will be to add syntax highlighting to script code posted within forums also. -------------- Back to the htlp: If we coordinate the effort (which shouldn't take too much work) and enough people like the idea, we could even a link into the KiXtart HTML help (that we maintain) to the UDF library CHM file. Cheers, -Brian PS. Mailing me direct is easy, our company uses a first.last @ scriptlogic.com format, and the last name is Styles.
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#95920 - 2002-11-21 07:12 AM Re: User Defined Functions in a compiled Windows help file
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	Thanks Brian, I had all the UDFs mailed to me, but there all in a .kix file which I can take apart and put into the help file. Having single files html or not is the easiest way for me to use. HTML keeps links working in the help file though. Most of the UDFs on ScriptLogic have the author listed, but not a link back to the code. The reader of the helpfile would need to search by name for it once they get to the ScriptLogic site. Not exactly sure what you mean by some of the stuff you mentioned... I'm not a web programmer. The helpfile currently is a manual process for me, as I could not figure out a method of automating all the files into TOPICS with my program. I had to add each one manually and copy/paste the code. I think RoboHelp could do it, but I don't have access to that program. I'll take it off line with you if you will send me an email with your email address or other contact information. Thanks Brian.
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