1) My panties are not in a bunch (not wearing them today -- chose briefs instead this morning).

2) If I took up the matter directly with Jens, we couldn't have this wonderful open and fun discussion, now could we?

3) Jens: I didn't want you to remove the UDFs from this site -- I am glad that you took your time to cross-post them here. Just looking for some credit (and version control). We regularly get suggestion on how to improve the functions and we always include the person who suggested the changes when they are published.

4) Aside from seeking credit, one point which got lost is establishing some sort of version control system -- if someone takes someone else's UDF and changes it, document those changes, including dates, so that everyone who has downloaded the old function can choose to update and know why.

5) I don't need to be bashed for speaking what's on my mind -- there are always two sides to every situation and with all the high IQs here, you should be able to handle my post without taking an offensive position.

6) Alex: I have re-read my message, and can't seem how you can consider it 'shitting on this board.' If this board is to be censored, and one can't speak their mind, I'm really disappointed.

7) I've personally contributed a lot to the KiXtart effort. So has the company I work for. We were the first to create a UDF related website. We were the first site to create Beta and Wish List forums. We're the only site to have a function voting system (where Ruud reviews the stats regularly). We work directly with Ruud -- suggestions and heavy alpha/beta testing. All I'm saying is that I'm on your side -- we're all in this together -- same team -- get it?

Again, I don't mind being flamed -- I knew I took that chance when posting. I did have to express my opinion though. I lecture regularly -- I can take the critics. Did anyone (other than Lonkero) even try to look at it from my perspective?

Cheers,
-Brian

Note: We've been working on a complete UDF management system that will allow functions to be submitted to a database and managed by the author. There will be a RFC system, where each function can be discussed. Visitors can use checkboxes to e-mail the functions to them in a ready-to-go KiX file. Of course, the voting system will remain too. It will be a turnkey system -- much better than attempting to use a generic forum system. I WANT to see all your functions posted to this database (In fact we're looking for beta testers). Again, we're on the same team. Any takers?