Yeah, I think one of the problems is finding a standardized suite thats implemented on all platforms. Not sure how 9x compatible these are, but know these icons are available under NT4 and NT5 ... I going to be adding a special suite of icons into the Kixforms.dll itself, very soon, but to do that, must pick and choose them very carefully. Each icon can add approx 1 to 3 sometimes 6KB to the DLL size. At first blush, my plan is to add the standard set of toolbar icons (open/close/copy/paste/find) in 16x16 format. These will come in handy down the road for rebars and coolmenus. Other than that, im open to suggestions.