Yeah - I will add that one to the list ... after RichEdit (RichTextBox) is done, I going to be revisting ALL the basic controls and upgrading them in various ways ... was going to start with ProgressBar, then move to CommandButton, then should be able to hit Frames after that. Know exactly what your talking about ... you want to be able to remove the single chiseled line that borders the frame ? That isn't governed by the BorderStyle property I'm afraid - its actually drawn by the Frame itself. Sure we can hit it when revisiting the Frame control.