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#87194 - 2002-08-06 05:02 PM Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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Gang,

Not too sure if anyone has picked-up on this or not (based on discussion) over the past few weeks, but I've been slowly moving away from the Microsoft Forms naming convention and more towards the .NET naming scheme for Object Properties and Methods (where applicable). Having said that, I'm just wrapping-up Kixforms TNG and I'm stuck on an issue that I would like to get some feedback on. Specifically, the mechanism for setting the MouseCursor (or MouseIcon or MousePointer) ...

1) Strategy one is to have a property called MousePointer that gets or sets a numeric value indicating which icon to use (0 is the default arrow and 11 is the hourglass), for example:

code:
$Form.MousePointer = 11 ; Hourglass
 
; do something ...
 
$Form.MousePointer = 0 ; Arrow
To use a custom icon (.ICO or .CUR file), another property called MouseIcon is used to specify the path of the file, and the value of MousePointer is then set to 99 (user-defined), example:

code:
$Form.MouseIcon = ".\fraggers.ico"
 
$Form.MousePointer = 99 ; Custom jobbie
 
; do something ...
 
$Form.MousePointer = 0 ; Back to default arrow
2) Strategy two is to have just one variant (morphic) property called Cursor (.NET style) and provide the ability to get or set this value to a number (0 to 11) and/or set it to a string specifying a custom .ICO or .CUR file, for example:

code:
$Form.Cursor = 11 ; Hourglass
 
; do something ...
 
$Form.Cursor = 0 ; default
-and/or-

code:
$Form.Cursor = ".\fraggers.ico"
 
; do something ...
 
$Form.Cursor = 0 ; back to default
Thoughts anyone ? Is one strategy more intuitive than the other, is the second strategy to conviluted ?

-Shawn

[ 06. August 2002, 17:07: Message edited by: Shawn ]
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#87195 - 2002-08-06 05:06 PM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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I like the second choice:
code:
$Form.Cursor = ".\fraggers.ico"
; do something ...
$Form.Cursor = 0 ; back to default


[ 06. August 2002, 17:07: Message edited by: Howard Bullock ]
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#87196 - 2002-08-06 05:27 PM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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I'd go for the second one, too.
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#87197 - 2002-08-06 05:41 PM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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The .NET style seems more intuitive.
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#87198 - 2002-08-06 05:44 PM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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I'm spotting a trend ... I go for the second one also. Many thanks Shawn for implementing this one, especially as I think I was the first one to request it [Big Grin]

Rod.
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#87199 - 2002-08-06 07:35 PM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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I say the 2nd one, It feels more natural

that fraggers.ico has to look weird as a mouse pointer [Big Grin]

Bryce
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#87200 - 2002-08-08 11:31 PM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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I agree with all the previous posts. The second option seems better.

Any success with KiXforms TNG ?? Beta1 (or was it RC1) should be released this weekend ???? [Wink]
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#87201 - 2002-08-09 02:07 AM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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I think shawn is somewhat different from some of us.
he does almost perfect code which does not need rc's or beta-state publicly.

all he does is test it with his own environments and ah, there is version *.0.0.0.0

[ 09. August 2002, 02:07: Message edited by: Lonkero ]
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#87202 - 2002-08-09 03:11 AM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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Hey Jooel, So what was that versioning scheme you came up with a while back ? Kixtart uses the 4.01 format, UBB uses the 6.3.1 format ... whats up with all that and whats the best one to use ?
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#87203 - 2002-08-10 12:59 AM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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both are good.
I'd go for dotted:
2.0 would be version two release.
then after some days you make little addon to it.
I don't like to see then the program to be:
2.01 or 2.1

nicer and more "understandable" would be after such little adjust:
2.0.1

I think this way the version number says: "I include minor improvement"
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#87204 - 2002-08-09 01:22 PM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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Yes, i (again) have to agree on that. Start with 2.x.y, minor update change y, major update change x. New release change the 2 in 3 or whatever.
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#87205 - 2002-08-09 04:26 PM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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2.x.y

2 = new version with at least partially rewritten code
x = addition of new features
y = bugfixes/enhancements of existing features

At least that's what I try to use.
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#87206 - 2002-08-12 06:10 AM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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i like the second one [Razz]



/me egarly awaits TNG

got a nice doco for us n00b's to read? or do we have to wait longer for that?
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#87207 - 2002-08-12 06:18 AM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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Hi Redback, I'm updating the doc as we speak ...
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#87208 - 2002-08-12 06:28 AM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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shawn, no time for sleep?
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#87209 - 2002-08-12 06:45 AM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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Hey Jooel, you got access to mail ? want you to try a new TNG script based on a VB program that Chris S. sent me ... actually appplies quite nicely to BBChecker ...
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#87210 - 2002-08-12 07:18 AM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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Hi Redback, I'm updating the doc as we speak ...
Id like to take this oportunity to say w00t!
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#87211 - 2002-08-12 07:34 AM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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shawn, hit it
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#87212 - 2002-08-12 02:20 PM Re: Kixforms: MousePointer, MouseIcon or just Cursor ?
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If possible, i would like to have a look at it tooooooo [Smile]
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