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#78249 - 2001-08-08 03:25 AM New UDF: InGroups( )
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New UDF to test for group membership, given a list of one or more groups.
http://www.scriptlogic.com/support/kixtart/functionlib/ingroups.asp

approximately 40 other UDF's online, with more to come:
http://www.scriptlogic.com/support/kixtart/functionlib.asp

Please be sure to stop by and submit your UDFs for others to benefit from.

-Brian

[ 14 August 2001: Message edited by: bstyles ]

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#78250 - 2001-08-13 04:18 PM Re: New UDF: InGroups( )
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The second link should read -
http://www.scriptlogic.com/support/kixtart/functionlib.asp

Thanks!

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#78251 - 2001-08-13 04:32 PM Re: New UDF: InGroups( )
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still waiting for udf.kixtart.org

allthou scriptlogic has some nice (and simple) udf's I would rather see the UDF library on non profit site.

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#78252 - 2001-08-15 12:10 AM Re: New UDF: InGroups( )
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Hey Lonkero,
I'd like to continue the discussion on the not-for-profit concept...

Indeed, ScriptLogic corporation is a for-profit company, and the only company to have developed a commercial product based on the wonderful KiXtart language.

The KiXtart Resource center, located at sriptlogic.com is free. It was developed to benefit the entire KiXtart community and no proceeds are sought after.

The UDFs published at our site are public domain and are also free of charge.

Given that we are a well established 3-year old company, and have nearly a million desktops using ScriptLogic every day, we are 100% committed to the success of our product and to the continued success and support of KiXtart, the language our flagship product is based on.

Obviously, maintaining any successful site requires time. Time = expense. This site is maintained well, given a part-time effort and no funding. We have even spoken to Henri (albeit briefly) about combining efforts and co-developing a single worldwide site for the continued support of KiXtart. You and everyone here that contibutes to the forums (here and elsewhere) are part of KiXtart's success.

When scriptlogic.com first introduced the beta and suggestion forums for KiXtart 2001, it was not to take away from this site, but rather to do something unique. Within a short time after our KiXtart Resource Center went live with these unique forums, they were added here...

The goal was not for competing sites, but rather toward the benefit to the community. Unfortunately now Ruud has a minimum of two site he needs to monitor...

This (KiXtart.org) is a wonderful site - the talent that posts here is what makes it a success! Without a doubt, there is room in this world for a few sites, provided they all benefit the KiXtart community.

Without getting defensive, might I question why the UDFs should be published somewhere else?

What drawbacks do you see keeping the "Function Library" where it is? What suggestions do you have for moving it and/or making it better? (we're all ears).

Looking forward to your reply,
Brian

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#78253 - 2001-08-15 03:59 PM Re: New UDF: InGroups( )
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it's functionality does not reduce at all, when kept at scriptlogic's site. but it affects how ppl see it.
as example, think about http://www.apache.org/ which has HTTP server site at http://httpd.apache.org/. what would ppl think about if the HTTP domain would be something like www.microsoft.com/support/ApacheHTTP ????

the place where the files can be whatever, but the URL can't refer to profiting organizations domain. if kept that way, it's seen as just one way to get more customers...
I don't know how american's think, but I get allready too much commercial stuff (visible & hidden) to like it.
also, the image ppl get about soft and it's reliability as how long it will be going on, is dependent the URL. when kept under commercial domain name, one can't miss the thought that it is no more when company crashes or desires to stop the service.
otherway around, if there would be a site named example udf.kixtart.org and it would reside on scriptlogic's site, it would also have powered by scriptlogic banner, which tell's to ppl:
"hey, that succesfull company trusts in that language, why shouldn't I?"

so: as a summary I might state, that it does not reduce the functioning of site, but can draw unwanted figure to one's mind.

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#78254 - 2001-08-16 02:37 AM Re: New UDF: InGroups( )
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Your comments are understood and appreciated. I guess, as with everything, there are two ways to look at it...

One might think that a corporation could someday "yank the rug out" and stop providing such free services...

The other view is that, all considered, a profitable company providing the services would be around even longer than a site without funding since the corporation would have revenue to support the free services...

The nice thing is that, regardless of where the UDFs are published, that they are already in the public domain and will continue to be. Think of it as open source -- the code is already out there

Since ScriptLogic Corp already released the source to the functions (by posting to the website), this can never be taken away. We certainly hope that they are used, regardless of where they end up.

And yes, we certainly hope that by providing free services, such as a Function Library, we will get more sales -- that is the motivation of a corporation. I trust there is no harm in this motivation, given the fact that non-customers will still benefit. (it's an honest statement). With this understanding, why would we ever stop providing the free services?

We have always known that ScriptLogic is not for everyone -- we don't make any claims that it is... However, we do hope to establish the website as a great portal for the KiXtart community -- something that everyone can truly benefit from.

Again, thank you for your opinion, comments, and suggestions. We do care!

-Brian

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