Jooel & Howard,

You guys are amazing. I thought I had seen most of the tricks for compressing kixtart but between you two you must have found about a dozen that I had never seen in our previous kixgolf matches. You guys must never sleep or if you do you dream kixtart. [Big Grin]

Joel,

Thanks for the explanation. You also you are correct about cropping. I believe that the last line or 2 of pixels in the images "columns" & "Blackbuck" are cropped by the default box size. Also, I think that both the kixform & picturebox objects have beveled edges of 2 pixels width & the beveled edges crop the boxes by 4 extra pixels. Thus I believe the true dimensions of the minimum box is $a.ClientSize = 4+$[2],4+$[3].

PS: When I first started participating in kixgolf, I like Jooel felt players were cheating but after thinking about it I realized the problem was the mindset that I brought to the game. The problem is that I have spent my whole life learning "good" programming techniques & kixgolf forced me & the rest of the players to sometimes disregard this experience. It is kind of like playing give-a-way chess. Every move you make grates on your nerves & feels wrong. The point of this monologue is that I don’t think Howard was cheating. We need to distinguish between breaking “good programming” rules & breaking Jens rules. In Kixgolf the only rules are Jens rules. One of the reason both of you are so successful at kixgolf is your ability to think outside the rules. So how about we leave the penalty calls to the ref.
[Smile] [Wink]
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Jack