Radimus:

Please be politically correct in future posts..
"DOS" tends to exclude all the other operating system groups. [Smile]

Doc:

Passion? Funny you should mention that. This past summer, my workmate and I volunteered for a project that ran 24x7 for almost a week.. I slept in my RV in the parking lot, she walked to her friends house a few blocks away, and we shared 4-on / 4-off shifts around the clock, and were both present on the conference calls. We were amazed with the decisions being made by lack of knowlege, and were often "dismissed" because we were just the System Admins. The consulting firm that was there told us to turn our "passion" level down, present the info to them and they'd pass it on "gently". I mention this because that passion is what often makes us sound irritated - we expect that others in our position should know something about the topic under discussion. After almost 15 years teaching technology, I've learned to try and temper my response when in class, and certainly treat the starters group as a classroom.

I agree - we need more passion in the workforce. It pays off in spades. When I started, I was busy all the time "fighting fires", and after fighting with the senior guys in HQ for permission to develop and deploy standards, I now have time to read the paper, have coffee, and post a few on the board. My efforts early on have paid ME back in just a few months.

How do YOU spread the passion? I believe it is contagious.

18 months ago, everyone around me agreed that certain processes were downright idiotic, but they believed that this is what the company wanted. they said "That's the company way, it will never change". I refused to accept that, deployed the new process on a test system, documented the advangages and circulated them. "Our world" got a wakeup call during the tests this summer - my test server was chosen as a web target for net testing. The lowly P3-800 w/ 2G outperformed a quad-processor Sun box w/ 4G by 4:1. The difference? Careful attention to detail on the test box, while the sun box only had a basic load (but was a "production" sysetm.

Nobody says "that's the company way" anymore... Thank Bill! [Wink]

Glenn

Imagine what you can do, when you do what you imagine!
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