well thanx for the advice, but i got it figured out. it was the way that win2k was listing the group name as compared to how i originally typed it. ex: administration ='ed admin. strange but true, anyways everything seems to be working great now, with no flaws (knock on wood). I definately appreciate everyones help, i should have came here sooner and asked instead of wasting two weeks being fustrated out of my mind!!!!. Again thank you guys SOOOO much!