external software is not allowed so that pretty much rules out postie and blat. I have tried com using cdo the email went to never never land and i tried the com using outlook the problem with that is you must have an email account to send a email (errors out), as my admin account does not have a email account hence the error otherwise it works fine. I tried the udf and again the same error with the admin account and it works fine in the regular acount. i don't remember tring com with win32admin i will try it again to see what happens. I am still open for suggestions [Big Grin]