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#32143 - 2002-11-11 08:46 AM win 95 policies
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Hi,

In win95 with single user profile, policy doesn't seem to take effect.

Does this behaviour is by design?
Is there a workaround?

Thank you,
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#32144 - 2002-11-11 09:27 AM Re: win 95 policies
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V.F.,

Essentially, the Policy files are an extension of the Registry..

Here are a couple of Microsoft articles (the Q is no longer used) found from -

http://support.microsoft.com

Go to Advanced Search, Select Windows 95 as the product
Using Keywords: Policy Edit

How to Configure Windows 95 Policies with Load Balancing

Group Policies Are Ignored, All Other Policies Work as Expected

While not answering your question, these should help gain a better understanding.

HTH,

Kent
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#32145 - 2002-11-11 10:51 AM Re: win 95 policies
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Thank you.

Another question:
for some reason I get error 1016 on win95, when trying to update the policy upon login:

"Unable to update configuration from \\SERVER\netlogon\win95.pol
Error 1016: An I/O operation initiated by the registry failed unrecoverably.
The registry could not read in, or write out, or flush, one of the files that contain the system's image of the registry.
you may need to contact your administrator"

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#32146 - 2002-11-11 10:58 AM Re: win 95 policies
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I think this comes back to FAQ and win9x logon timing.
check: Sequence of events during logon

which seems obvious reason for this.
also, removing the rights has the same effect...

[ 11. November 2002, 11:00: Message edited by: Lonkero ]
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#32147 - 2002-11-12 12:34 AM Re: win 95 policies
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But the order which is described there is:
"...
[Load User Profile]
[Apply Microsoft Policies]
..."
So it should take effect.

What rights do you mean? NTFS?
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#32148 - 2002-11-11 03:14 PM Re: win 95 policies
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There are no NTFS rights in Windows 9x. However, the right to manipulate the rgistry can be restricted under Windows 9x with a policy file.
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#32149 - 2002-11-11 04:06 PM Re: win 95 policies
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yep, if you have before restricted by pol the rights, you can't anymore load it.

anyway, if you check there, the logonscript most likely is ran before user profile gets loaded, meaning that probably it just isn't writable during that time as it is not loaded.
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#32150 - 2002-11-11 08:56 PM Re: win 95 policies
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Does the concept "single user profile" exist on Win9x? I always thought it was "disable policies" which effectively created a single user environment called ".default" or maybe you mean "individual profiles" which means multi-user local profiles.

I am confused since I thought you needed "individual profiles" or multi-user enabled to use downloadable policies of any kind.

Also, I believe that the policy for controlling registry editing in Win9x only applies to the app "REGEDIT.EXE". All other apps can edit the registry without restictions.

[ 11. November 2002, 21:06: Message edited by: Jack Lothian ]
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#32151 - 2002-11-12 10:38 AM Re: win 95 policies
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I checked, and this restriction is not selected in the local registry, in poledit.

Also, in the login script, I write only to entries in the HKEY_LOCAL_MASHINE hype,
and in pol I write to HKEY_CURRENT_USER the rest,
after the hype is already loaded, accordingly to the logon sequence.

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#32152 - 2002-11-12 10:44 AM Re: win 95 policies
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zz_top,
could you try this trick...
copy the file to local harddrive and use it from there not from netlogon... have a feeling...
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#32153 - 2002-11-12 02:14 PM Re: win 95 policies
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Yeah it works!!!

Why does it matter if the policy file is on server or on workstation?

Thanks allot,
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#32154 - 2002-11-12 02:23 PM Re: win 95 policies
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well, probably that is not the problem but win95 with it's poor support for anything... not sure though.
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#32155 - 2002-11-12 02:35 PM Re: win 95 policies
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Thanks again,
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#32156 - 2002-11-12 03:11 PM Re: win 95 policies
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Do you have these registry keys set:

code:
 
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Network\Logon]
"MustBeValidated"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Network]
"DisablePwdCaching"=dword:00000001
If not then then you are effectively running a peer-to-peer network & the default location for "pol" files is %WindowsSystemRoot%. I believe this is true for all Windows clients not just Win9x.

As an aside, there is no great difference between regedit & poledit. Poledit is just a specialized registery editor that can also create autoload "pol" files. If poledit can edit the key so can regedit, you just have to know the name of the key. Lonkero is right though, I believe the "disable profiles/individual profile" option is one of the options include in the limited number of registry fields offered by poledit. It does have a corresponding name in the registry but at this moment I forgot it. I will try to look it up for you.

It has been a while since I worked on this but I believe you must have Win9x logging into the NT server plus you must have Win9x configured to run in multi-user mode to get your policies to auto download. Also note, the default location for where these policies are stored is not the same as for WinNT/2000/XP clients. (For individual profiles I believe they must be stored in the User directory share that is defined in the NT User manager. Note this must be a real share, not the default pseudo shares created by the NT User manager.) Please check out the "JSI Reghack FAQ" for more details on the specifics. I have also read in some articles that Win9x will only auto download POL files from a PDC not from a BDC. (I don't think the JSI or the Savill FAQs say this so I not sure I trust this point but I have read this in several articles.)

PS: Sorry, I don't have more time to do a little research on this topic for you. I know my answers are bit hand-wavey but I am rather busy at home & the office right now.

[ 12. November 2002, 15:14: Message edited by: Jack Lothian ]
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#32157 - 2002-11-12 03:49 PM Re: win 95 policies
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These values are not set.
I use HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Update

with local path, and it seems to solve the problem.

Thanks,
V.F.
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