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#188137 - 2008-06-11 01:53 AM Predict the future
Gargoyle Gargoyle MM club member Registered: 2004-03-09 Posts: 1597 Loc: Valley of the Sun (Arizona, US...	know I'm not the only person who's worried since I love to drive, but what do you all think the price of gas will be in 10 years? Will we even be driving cars every day? If fuel prices are so high due to global demand, will we all migrate towards the cities and out of the suburbs leaving the burbs to become abandoned? Will interstate and international leisure travel come to a standstill? Will we have no choice but to buy locally produced food? I am really interested in what our global community has to say, as many of you know I am in US and of course this is a hot topic around here. _________________________ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.
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#188143 - 2008-06-11 10:41 AM Re: Predict the future [Re: Gargoyle]
It_took_my_meds It_took_my_meds Hey THIS is FUN Registered: 2003-05-07 Posts: 273 Loc: Sydney, Australia	I too am concerned about how the rising price of petrol will have on my life. However, I recognise that oil is a very much undervalued resource. Nearly all the products that we use these days are derived from oil, including plastics, pharmaceuticals, detergents, paints... you name it. Yet what do we with this limited resouce? We burn over 90% of it!! I truly hope that rising fuel prices encourages more renewable resources to get a foot hold, so we can spare oil as a source of more important things. There are many good alternatives that are starting to get noticed such as celluosic ethanol (as opposed to the rediculous idea of making ethanol from corn and other food sources) and diesel from algae. What really amazes me is just how rediculously cheap petrol is in the US compared to many other countries. Considering how much oil the US consumes and how cheap it is there, it appears to me that the US devalues oil more than any other country.
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#188160 - 2008-06-11 09:05 PM Re: Predict the future [Re: It_took_my_meds]
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	I just don't think any bio fuel will be a replacement. Maybe a helpful addition but we need something to replace oil for vehicles use. The World consumes way too much oil and would any other type of bio fuel as well if it was the only source. We need to find some type of source that does not deplete or pollute other resources - so far there is nothing, but the search continues. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol .
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#188173 - 2008-06-12 04:25 AM Re: Predict the future [Re: NTDOC]
Sealeopard Sealeopard KiX Master Registered: 2001-04-25 Posts: 11164 Loc: Boston, MA, USA	Actually, bio-fules, especially corn-based fuels, are partially to blame for higher food prices. So, either way, you get screwed. Pretty much the only way to improve is to be more restrictive in resource usage and increase recycling of resources where reasonable. _________________________ There are two types of vessels, submarines and targets.
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#188198 - 2008-06-12 10:48 PM Re: Predict the future [Re: Sealeopard]
Jochen Jochen KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-03-17 Posts: 6380 Loc: Stuttgart, Germany	Good thing to discuss. I see the future here http://www.lightningcarcompany.co.uk/ and especially HERE (The Lightning GT uses this excelent peace of british engineering too, but the mini is the approach for the masses) This all combined with 'green' power (emission free) might save the planet from being murdered by its parasites (see The Matrix (Pt.1); Agent Smith talks to Morpheus for reference) Edited by Jochen (2008-06-12 10:48 PM) _________________________
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#188202 - 2008-06-12 11:16 PM Re: Predict the future [Re: Jochen]
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	Yes they're good, but again they also take electrical power that has to be generated which typically also has byproduct usage of oil. Also many Nations around the World are already at maximum capacity for Electric power generation and have brown outs or black outs, thus requiring more power generation plants. Like a darn catch-22 (damned if you do, damned if you don't) A lot of these ideas are GREAT on a small scale and probably at least something better than what we currently have, but when you scale it up to a billion plus vehicles then you can see what an additional strain it becomes by using other methods of power generation aside from oil. I think we'll all become better at recycling and cleaner fuels but so far nothing is without it's ills as well.
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#188203 - 2008-06-12 11:30 PM Re: Predict the future [Re: NTDOC]
Jochen Jochen KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-03-17 Posts: 6380 Loc: Stuttgart, Germany	Shortsighted! Don't think what the oil industries worldwide teach you to think from the beginning of your life (Well, I know you are a bit older than I am Ron $;\)$ ) Here's just ONE bigger thought for y'all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower _________________________
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#188204 - 2008-06-12 11:38 PM Re: Predict the future [Re: Jochen]
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	Not sure exactly what you mean by short sighted. Don't think anyone knows how many power plants there really are in the World. I would have to think thousands and each with costs in the multi-million to billion dollar range - so I don't see that working in my lifetime either. So short-sighted to the end of my life $;\)$ Quote: There is still a great amount of uncertainty and debate on what the cost of production for electricity would be for a solar updraft tower and whether a tower (large or small) can be made profitable. PROFIT is the keyword too. Currently no too many Companies or Countries are going to do much in the way of any of these newer technologies unless they're is a PROFIT to be made. Money after all is what runs the World, or is it the desire for money
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#188206 - 2008-06-12 11:49 PM Re: Predict the future [Re: NTDOC]
Jochen Jochen KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-03-17 Posts: 6380 Loc: Stuttgart, Germany	Ja, makes me feel sick too (in a quite shizophrenic way, as I am after the cash as well in the need to care for my family $\:\/$ ) . All we see is money in the so called civilized world. Nobody seems to really care what our descendants got left from our way of getting things done. Sometimes it's really amusing to imagine what the archeologists do find out about our way of life in, let's say, 3000 years (given that there is anyone left to dig deep enough) _________________________
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#188213 - 2008-06-13 04:36 PM Re: Predict the future [Re: Jochen]
Björn Björn Korg Regular Registered: 2005-12-07 Posts: 953 Loc: Stockholm, Sweden.	just read the original post, and - Don't belive the trend will be broken - more than fossil fuel will be replaced.. _________________________ as long as it works - why fix it? If it doesn't work - kix-it!
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#188232 - 2008-06-16 11:58 PM Re: Predict the future [Re: Björn]
Kdyer Kdyer KiX Supporter Registered: 2001-01-03 Posts: 6241 Loc: Tigard, OR	I wonder how valid this is? The news bulletin videos appear legit.. Run your car on water Kent _________________________ Utilize these resources: UDFs (Full List) KiXtart FAQ & How to's
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#188238 - 2008-06-17 01:11 AM Re: Predict the future [Re: Kdyer]
It_took_my_meds It_took_my_meds Hey THIS is FUN Registered: 2003-05-07 Posts: 273 Loc: Sydney, Australia	These kind of claims annoy the crap out of me. Yes it does use water but there is another reactant that provides the power. ie. They react water with a reducing agent. I used to be a research chemist and I would suggest that the other reactant would be something like NaBH4 (Sodium Borohydride). To make spurious claims like "A car that runs on water" is misleading in the extreme.
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#188239 - 2008-06-17 01:19 AM Re: Predict the future [Re: Kdyer]
Gargoyle Gargoyle MM club member Registered: 2004-03-09 Posts: 1597 Loc: Valley of the Sun (Arizona, US...	Almost worth $50.00 to see what it would it do. Even if you only got 1MPG better it would pay itself off fairly quickly. _________________________ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.
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#188240 - 2008-06-17 01:26 AM Re: Predict the future [Re: Gargoyle]
It_took_my_meds It_took_my_meds Hey THIS is FUN Registered: 2003-05-07 Posts: 273 Loc: Sydney, Australia	Yep, I was right, they use a reducing agent. http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/ind...from-chemicals/ To say that they are running these engines on water is analogous to saying that conventional cars run on air.
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#188241 - 2008-06-17 02:56 AM Re: Predict the future [Re: It_took_my_meds]
It_took_my_meds It_took_my_meds Hey THIS is FUN Registered: 2003-05-07 Posts: 273 Loc: Sydney, Australia	Now here is an interesting technology http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4133668.ece
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#188242 - 2008-06-17 03:31 AM Re: Predict the future [Re: It_took_my_meds]
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	That's still a buggy technology though
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#188299 - 2008-06-20 04:13 AM Re: Predict the future [Re: NTDOC]
Jack Lothian Jack Lothian MM club member Registered: 1999-10-22 Posts: 1169 Loc: Ottawa,Ontario, Canada	Here in Canada we are going to start building nuclear reactors again after a 20 year hiatus. _________________________ Jack
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#188309 - 2008-06-21 12:29 AM Re: Predict the future [Re: Jack Lothian]
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	Originally Posted By: Jack Lothian Here in Canada... I still prefer to refer to Canadas in the plural form and you being from Hull can probably understand why. That said, those damn Easterners are still going to foist their nuclear garbage on us Northerners. NWO still wants to secede from the rest of (East) Ontario. They rape our resources and give us high gas prices in return. _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#188417 - 2008-06-27 05:22 AM Re: Predict the future [Re: Les]
Jack Lothian Jack Lothian MM club member Registered: 1999-10-22 Posts: 1169 Loc: Ottawa,Ontario, Canada	I live on the other side of the river - Ottawa but I grew up in Montreal so I get the point about Canadas. Did you know that up until World War I, the only people who called themselves Canadians were the French Canadians. Ontarians for the longest time never accepted that term. A hundred years ago the term Canadian was equivalent to the modern term Quebecois. That is how the Montreal Canadians got their name & why they are also called the Habs or habitants. PS: I accept no responsibility for what Ontario Hydo does. They never ask me about what to build & everyone knows the only city that counts in this province is Toronto & I do not live there. PS2: The Quebec government renamed Hull, it is now called Gatineau. Edited by Jack Lothian (2008-06-27 05:26 AM) _________________________ Jack
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#188426 - 2008-06-27 03:07 PM Re: Predict the future [Re: Jack Lothian]
Richard H. Richard H. Administrator Registered: 2000-01-24 Posts: 4946 Loc: Leatherhead, Surrey, UK	We have a Hull in the UK too, but considering their current standing in the obesity league ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3521551.stm ) we would be better renaming it Gateaux. Edited by Richard H. (2008-06-27 03:08 PM)
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