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#179975 - 2007-08-30 12:30 PM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: NTDOC]
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Spoiler test
Warning, Spoiler:

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;Script Options
If Not @LOGONMODE
    Break On
Else
    Break Off
EndIf
Dim $RC
$RC = SetOption("Explicit", "On")
$RC = SetOption("NoMacrosInStrings", "On")
$RC = SetOption("NoVarsInStrings", "On")
If @SCRIPTEXE = "KIX32.EXE"
    $RC = SetOption("WrapAtEOL", "On")
EndIf

 Code:
;Script Options
If Not @LOGONMODE
	Break On
Else
	Break Off
EndIf
Dim $RC
$RC = SetOption("Explicit", "On")
$RC = SetOption("NoMacrosInStrings", "On")
$RC = SetOption("NoVarsInStrings", "On")
If @SCRIPTEXE = "KIX32.EXE"
	$RC = SetOption("WrapAtEOL", "On")
EndIf


Why does a spoiler need a scrollbar at the right hand side?

Whoops, off-topic. I thought I was in the "Korg now running 7.2.2" thread.


Edited by Witto (2007-08-30 12:38 PM)
Edit Reason: posted in wrong thread

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#180004 - 2007-08-30 09:28 PM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: NTDOC]
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Vista done got mighty old pretty damn quick. Good reason to check out *nix IMO.

Sorry to hear server 2008 has all the bad carry over from Vista. I like 2k3 though.

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#180972 - 2007-09-28 10:02 PM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: mole]
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Another "Raving" review of Vista... not to mention extended sales of XP will continue now through June 08...

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2190228,00.asp

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#180973 - 2007-09-28 10:16 PM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: Allen]
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Great article, thx Allen.
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#180978 - 2007-09-29 07:06 PM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: Shawn]
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Or just bite the bullet and go ahead and buy, say, the new MacBook Pro 15-inch to give Mac OS a try


thats what i did.. well 17" \:\) But i still run XP every day, in a VM on my new laptop.

my company's stance on vista, it's not ready yet. 90% of our clients would need to buy all new PC's, or preform massive hardware upgrades.

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#181063 - 2007-10-03 05:10 AM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: Bryce]
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OK - finally bit the bullet. After hearing all kinds of horror stories, I avoided Vista like the plague. Tonight, that all changed.

Bought a new desktop with an AMD-64x2 processor. Fired it up and verified that Vista Home Pro worked before violating the warranty, ripping out the modem, adding 3G of RAM, and erasing the hard drive to load Vista-64 Enterprise. (yeah, made the recover CDs, just in case.) Anyway, I had the CD with XP-64 handy, just in case...

Installation - from boot to completion was about 30 minutes. I was surprised - almost pleasantly, considering my last load of XP took longer. I'm sure the x64 system helped.

Having never seen Vista (other than ads/demos), it took about 30 minutes to poke around before I could have it looking something like what I'd be comfortable with - no background image, and "normal" desktop icons. Another 15 minutes and I was joined to the domain and - wait?! What kind of login page is this?? Press Ctl-Alt-Del was there, but no domain field. I guess I should be used to USER@DOMAIN logins by now, but still was surprised.

Login script failed - I need to update the OS detection logic, mostly for x64. My Memory UDF just doesn't work on X64 systems, since the registry data is on 64b boundaries instead of 32b. It's one of the reasons I bought the 64b box, so my work is piling up already.

I won't start loading software until I get the login script issue resolved, and load my usual Kix and R/K network utilities. I figure that by the weekend I should have MS-Office installed, and hopefully some of the multimedia tools as well. Then the real fun of testing non-MS apps will begin.

So far, I'm not appalled, but I'm sure the hardware helps. I'll be loading Vista 32b on my old P-4 3GHz system next month. Have an updated video adapter already for that system, and it's got 2G ram, so it should be a good candidate. We'll see.

As for Server 2K8 - well.. I can't imagine digging through all this crap to change settings while people are screaming that some application is down. Thank goodness the command prompt is still here! ;\)

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#181070 - 2007-10-03 06:07 AM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: Glenn Barnas]
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Don't forget to take IIS for a spin - quite different on Server 2008
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#181148 - 2007-10-05 05:04 AM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: NTDOC]
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Will do - will likely load W2K3 on this system as well for 64B testing. Everything else here at home is on a 32B VMWare system.

Enterprise is gone after 24 hours, and Ultimate is installed instead. Didn't realize that Enterprise lacked the multimedia components. Finally found a good comparison of all the versions, although not on a MS site. MS is strangely quiet about comparing Enterprise with anything else.

I'm not sure about some of the "softer" color presentations - might just be my older eyes. Took me a while to adopt to XP, too. My biggest gripe right now is not being able to find out how to display file extensions. I don't want to rely on fuzzy icons, or Windows "intelligence" to try and think for me to decide which file I want opened. Gonna dig a bit more before I go do some research.

Enabling the local Admin account was a big help, especially when installing custom drivers and such. No interference from UAC then, but absolutely impossible do do (with obscure and misleading error messages) trying to install driver updates with either my local or domain admin accounts. My local account is in the admins group, although I'm not permitted to go into the Windows folder or add drivers? And the local admin account is disabled by default? Wassup wit dat?

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#181149 - 2007-10-05 08:12 AM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: Glenn Barnas]
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Be careful with the SP1. One of my collegues installed the beta release and his system doesn't start up any more...
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#181194 - 2007-10-06 06:46 AM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: Glenn Barnas]
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You can set to see all files like in XP but be careful. MS uses hard links now and has change folder structure. On XP I say not to hide anything but on Vista I sometimes go ahead and let it keep system only files hidden as you really can't and shouldn't modify them as they really link to other folders.

Do properties on the Start Menu then in an open window of like My Computer left side should see something like folder settings (different name but don't recall exact name) so make changes there as well.
Not a lot different than XP for changing some of that stuff once you look around a bit, but first time on it is confusing.

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#181206 - 2007-10-06 03:06 PM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: NTDOC]
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Found it...
From Explorer - Organize / Folder and Search Options

"Organize" ? ?

Was really annoying to not see the extensions. When I develop code, I have a "script.txt" file. KGen builds the "script.kix" tokenized file, but also creates .GEN (untokenized), .LOG (log of script assembly), .RPT (report of variable use by function), and .INI (table of variable declarations, line refs, etc). Since all of these extensions are opened with Notepad, they all had the same icon and the same name. You need to hover your mouse over the file to have the properties window pop up to see the extension. NOT ANY MORE! ;\)

Jeez - once you find the entry point to the config panel, the panel and settings are identical to all previous versions. Is "new" limited to moving the doors and windows around? \:o

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#181208 - 2007-10-06 03:14 PM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: DrillSergeant]
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I run WSUS-3 at home, so beta versions of patches are not available. I only mess around with beta releases on the VM lab, and my VMWare environment here doesn't support Vista. (bottom line, no beta patches for me!)

We're still running Vista on the VM lab at work just for application compatibility testing - have a long way to go. Our users rely on around 85% custom-written apps, about half through web front ends. Most users don't even have Office apps, beyond a Word viewer.

Thanks for the heads-up though.

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#181339 - 2007-10-09 12:59 AM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: Glenn Barnas]
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OK - time for the "WTF" ???

64-bit version of the O/S. Kix is 32-bit. Answer is WOW6432. Everything's fine, until...

You READ THE F!#($!@#ing Registry!

"Access to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion is ''reflected'' to HKLM\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion. A registry reflector copies certain values from the 64b to the 32b hives, resolving any conflicts with a Last Writer Wins approach."

Well, try to read simple values, like InstallDate or RegisteredOwner! These values are not "reflected". The InstallDate is 0, and RegisteredOwner is Microsoft! Maybe I need to install "Microsoft Mirror" for the reflections to occur?

OK - so this only affects things like 32b system inventory type tools, and only talking to 64b sysetms. Well, even the 32b system has some inconsistencies.

Query "ProductName" -
32b replies "Windows Vista (TM) Ultimate"
64b replies "Windows (TM) Vista Ultimate"

So, what's trademarked - Windows or Vista?

Aside from one change due to the migration to 64b technology (my Memory UDF), I've had to adjust, adapt, or rewrite at least half a dozen UDFs that use the registry to decide what kind of system it's running on. The problem I have is that it's inconsistent not only between XP to Vista, but between the same (Ultimate) version of Vista on x86 and x64.

OK - enough rant for today. Anyone got a solution? When is Kix64 coming out?

Glenn
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#181356 - 2007-10-09 09:12 AM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: Glenn Barnas]
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Have you tried the new SetOption() options?

From the KiXtart docs:
Wow64FileRedirection ON,OFF Enables/disables file redirection on 64-bit editions of Windows.
This option has no effect on 32-bit editions of Windows.

WOW64AlternateRegView ON,OFF Enables access to the alternate view of the registry.
This option has no effect on 32-bit editions of Windows.

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#181381 - 2007-10-09 02:35 PM Re: Welcome to Vista? [Re: Richard H.]
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No, I didn't - I'm trying to wrap up a project and didn't want to start all the testing again with the new 4.60 release. Seems that I won't have a choice, now, since connecting to Vista is a requirement.

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