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#162397 - 2006-05-24 11:47 AM OT: - New found respect
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11631 Loc: CA	Well let me just say that I've now found new respect for Admins in large businesses that have to install and manage Exchange 2003 - What a PIG, this is the first place where I've had the responsibility of managing Exchange. Could the steps and time involved be increased anymore - jeesh! Only have 156 accounts on a 5.5 Exchange implementation. I've just spent the past 7 hours going through steps and pre-checks, and schema changes and replications, etc... Then installed SP2 - all is up and running, but that is just the start. Have to then start migrating the users and public folders later on. Boy, I was thinking maybe 3 or 4 hours it would be all up and running - took almost twice that long and I didn't have any DNS or other issues as some Admins seem to have from reports on Exchange.org site. I can see where a large site could spend the entire weekend trying to do an upgrade. Installing AD was much easier Oh well, guess now it's time to start learning how to use this new version.
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#162398 - 2006-05-24 01:40 PM Re: OT: - New found respect
DrillSergeant DrillSergeant MM club member Registered: 2004-07-09 Posts: 1164 Loc: Eijsden, the Netherlands	Not that I've much experience with it, but our exchange people are pretty happy with the exchange migration tool: http://support.microsoft.com/?id=328871 good luck! :-) _________________________ The Code is out there
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#162399 - 2006-05-24 02:02 PM Re: OT: - New found respect
Benny69 Benny69 Moderator Registered: 2003-10-29 Posts: 1036 Loc: Lincoln, Ne	I have been useing exch2003 for about a year now and i am happy with it, ya it was a little work moving from 2000 to 2003 but its all good. It was more work moving from 5.5 to 2000. I made the staff write down anything they needed emails addresses what ever so it wasn't so tough on me, they lived through it, some were not happy, but you can't please everyone. _________________________ Wait don't order yet,... get KiXforms Designer .NET 2.0 (Beta) KiXforms Designer .NET 2.0 (Beta)
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#162400 - 2006-05-24 02:25 PM Re: OT: - New found respect
Gargoyle Gargoyle MM club member Registered: 2004-03-09 Posts: 1597 Loc: Valley of the Sun (Arizona, US...	Doc, if it makes you feel any better our Exchange admins just spent an entire weekend moving one of our remote offices to Exchange '03, and our project time line is in months not weeks. _________________________ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.
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#162401 - 2006-05-24 05:17 PM Re: OT: - New found respect
StarwarsKid StarwarsKid Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2005-06-15 Posts: 506 Loc: Oregon, USA	I'm about ready to do the same 5.5 to 2003 migration myself. I have about 250 mailboxes on 5.5. I've setup a test lab twice and am running into the same error. It's a MAPI error when I try to move a mailbox from 5.5 to 2003 in the test environment. Both test labs have been installed from scratch, so I'm stumped. Very agrivating as my 5.5 database is 15.5GB now. I'm almost at the database size limit ceiling. I'm sweating.... _________________________ let the wise listen and add to their learning, and let the discerning get guidance- Proverbs 1:5
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#162402 - 2006-05-24 10:50 PM Re: OT: - New found respect
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11631 Loc: CA	Well my current database backup each night is 110GB (we have Enterprise version and no one setup a limit) I have MAPI error for some things as well. However if worse comes to worse I suppose the ExMerge tool can be used.
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#162403 - 2006-05-24 11:05 PM Re: OT: - New found respect
StarwarsKid StarwarsKid Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2005-06-15 Posts: 506 Loc: Oregon, USA	I too purchased the Exch2003 enterprise edition which has no database size limits. The standard version has a new DB size limit of 64GB, was 16GB like 5.5. Exmerge, I used that to fight a virus a few years ago... Which was it... "I love you", "nimda".... _________________________ let the wise listen and add to their learning, and let the discerning get guidance- Proverbs 1:5
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#162404 - 2006-05-25 12:19 AM Re: OT: - New found respect
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11631 Loc: CA	Well the Exchange 5.5 Enterprise had no limits. Exchange 2003 Standard had an 16GB per database limit which was increased to 75GB with Service Pack 2 but defaults to 18GB and must be modified in the Registry to actually support a larger database. The Exchange 2003 Enterprise version does not have this limit and can support a theoretical 8000GB database. The Exmerge utility allows you to manually export out mailboxes and contacts but does not fully support all the folders of the inbox.
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#162405 - 2006-05-25 10:54 AM Re: OT: - New found respect
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	well, migration wizard worked for us. iirc, back then it was used to transfer the whole user database, along with mailboxes to new domain talk about a powerful tool _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#174017 - 2007-02-18 05:49 PM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: NTDOC]
brewdude6 brewdude6 Hey THIS is FUN Registered: 2000-10-21 Posts: 280 Loc: Nashville, TN	Sorry to dig up an old post, and hijack a thread with a loosely related topic...I apologize. I was wondering if anyone would know if there was a way to query Exchange 5.5 via WMI or some other method to retrieve current store limits on a mailbox or all mailboxes? We are actively migrating mailboxes to Exchange 2003 and haven't enforced limits on the new environment yet. This is going to be a problem for me when I try to enforce them, because I have to open the properties on each mailbox to get them. There are some users who have seperate policies that go beyond the IS default. Thanks _________________________ I could have made a neat retort but didn't, for I was flurried and didn't think of it till I was downstairs. -Mark Twain
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#174122 - 2007-02-21 05:01 PM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: brewdude6]
masken masken MM club member Registered: 2000-11-27 Posts: 1222 Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden	Missed this thread... Damned DOC, 156 accounts and 110Gb's $\:o$ You seriously need some policies $;\)$ The main advantage with the Enterprise Edition is the possibility of different storage groups I think. @brewdude6, found some Google hits: http://ehlo.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!1pd5Zg7l20GK4BcYdWlR0pZQ!109.entry _________________________ The tart is out there
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#174232 - 2007-02-24 10:00 PM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: masken]
Skip Skip Fresh Scripter Registered: 2005-07-01 Posts: 41	We used exmerge a few years ago to move from 5.5 to 2003. Had some major DNS issues to deal with at the time. But I really like 2003 now. TIP, make sure your people don't have thier out-of-office turned on when you extract them out of 5.5 with exmerge. It caused a bit of corruption. If the users did, we found they couldn't turn it on any longer after the mailbox was brought back up in 2003. Took a while to find the tool to fix it later. But we had to manually go into their mailbox from some command line tool and remove their out of office flag. Good Times!! _________________________ -sphilip
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#174236 - 2007-02-25 01:11 AM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: Skip]
masken masken MM club member Registered: 2000-11-27 Posts: 1222 Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden	That's one of the reasons ExMerge support was removed in Exchange 2007... _________________________ The tart is out there
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#174238 - 2007-02-25 03:07 AM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: masken]
Allen Allen KiX Supporter Registered: 2003-04-19 Posts: 4567 Loc: USA	Originally Posted By: masken That's one of the reasons ExMerge support was removed in Exchange 2007... ... and replaced with???
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#174249 - 2007-02-25 03:36 PM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: brewdude6]
brewdude6 brewdude6 Hey THIS is FUN Registered: 2000-10-21 Posts: 280 Loc: Nashville, TN	I was able to pull out users "use IS defaults" flag using header.exe and doing an export with the admin tool. We are using Quests Exchange Migration tool, it works excellently. The problem we are running into is we have a lot of common mailboxes that different departments share between users. If a shared mailbox is on 5.5 and one of the users is migrated, they of course can't use the mailbox until the mailbox and all users have been migrated. I'm trying to decide if it wouldn't be easier to convert the shared mailboxes to public folder. If I could do that, the Quest tool does a two way synchronization of public folders. I don't know why the old Exchange admin created mailboxes for these groups in the first place, unless you can operate in a mailbox differently than a public folder in exchange 5.5. _________________________ I could have made a neat retort but didn't, for I was flurried and didn't think of it till I was downstairs. -Mark Twain
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#174256 - 2007-02-25 09:10 PM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: brewdude6]
Mart Mart KiX Supporter Registered: 2002-03-27 Posts: 4673 Loc: The Netherlands	Quote: .... I'm trying to decide if it wouldn't be easier to convert the shared mailboxes to public folder. .... Sure you could do that but if one of the users that have access to that mailbox reads a message in ten public folder it is still marked as unread for all other users that can access the public folder. Some very strict rules must be obeyed by the users when you do something like this. One person should be made responsible for the stuff that end sup in the public folder and for example should move messages to a sub folder with the person's name that should do something with it. When the message is no longer needed or the person that it got assigned to did what was asked in the message it should be moved to some kind of archive folder or it should be deleted. Just to prevent two or more different users from dealing or replying to the same message unknowing of the fact that someone has already picked up the message and is working on it. _________________________ Mart - Chuck Norris once sold ebay to ebay on ebay.
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#174257 - 2007-02-25 09:45 PM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: Mart]
brewdude6 brewdude6 Hey THIS is FUN Registered: 2000-10-21 Posts: 280 Loc: Nashville, TN	Either way...it's going to take a LOT of coordination. We didn't anticipate such HUGE issues with Exchange. Migrating user accounts, and computers was a breeze! To top it all off, we use Blackberry server with one SRP. Moving BB users is going to present an issue also from what I can tell. _________________________ I could have made a neat retort but didn't, for I was flurried and didn't think of it till I was downstairs. -Mark Twain
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#174291 - 2007-02-27 02:19 AM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: brewdude6]
Bryce Bryce KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-02-29 Posts: 3167 Loc: Houston TX	just last week i was asked what the number of hours to do a 5.5 to 2003 migration would be.... I looked at him and asked... whats a computer?? $\:D$
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#174302 - 2007-02-27 08:32 AM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: Bryce]
Mart Mart KiX Supporter Registered: 2002-03-27 Posts: 4673 Loc: The Netherlands	LOL _________________________ Mart - Chuck Norris once sold ebay to ebay on ebay.
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#174305 - 2007-02-27 09:17 AM Re: OT: - New found respect [Re: Allen]
masken masken MM club member Registered: 2000-11-27 Posts: 1222 Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden	Originally Posted By: Allen Originally Posted By: masken That's one of the reasons ExMerge support was removed in Exchange 2007... ... and replaced with??? That the issue, they haven't hehe... Guess people will have to wait until SP1 for Exchange 2007, which is scheduled for release second half of 2007. It will contain alot of nice stuff; move mailbox extended functionality (export/import .pst - the ExMerge replacement), extended logshipping (SCR - non-cluster replication!), Public Folder Administration, and more mobile unit management including encryption. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2007/02/23/435699.aspx _________________________ The tart is out there
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