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#168181 - 2006-09-21 06:28 PM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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btw, I think expertsexchange works totally like that... ever tried?
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#168182 - 2006-09-21 06:36 PM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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It should be set up as contest to see the best solution to a problem.

For example there recently was the one submitted by Tony72 http://www.kixtart.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=167996&an=0&page=0#167996, that would be a great way for those of us that are not guru's to come up with differing solutions and then the guru's judge as to the best offered solution and provide critique as to the methods used, and what works and what does not.

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#168183 - 2006-09-21 06:51 PM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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I can't see the 'judge' in Minigolf ... the criteria must be a unique selling point like the score in Golf.

Ranting though will be allowed and welcomed in the public phase
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#168184 - 2006-09-21 08:11 PM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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I think I know what you guys mean and I've suggested in the past as well.

Basically I see it as a learning class.

Can not guarantee as work is a bit hectic lately but will look into putting something together soon.

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#168185 - 2006-09-21 08:30 PM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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Oi Ron, hold back the horses for a bit ... I count only two (Non-progolfing) supporters yet
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#168186 - 2006-09-21 08:44 PM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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LOL - Not a problem Jochen.

As said - I don't think it is so much a real Golf challenge as a learning experience.

If only 2 want to play so be it - not a big production like the one Jens does.
However hundreds I'm sure will pass by and hopefully learn bits and pieces.

Not like the board is over flowing with too many questions lately anyways.

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#168187 - 2006-09-21 09:21 PM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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here's a task...
create a script that will scan the board user tables and from all those who have over 1000 posts, return the username of the one, who's closest to nice value.
nice value is a even thousand or a value where all numbers are same.

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#168188 - 2006-09-21 09:43 PM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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ROFL

Jooel you joking basta. I'll post one a bit easier and perhaps what I think is more on topic of what they're wanting.

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#168189 - 2006-09-21 09:48 PM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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hmm... well, at least it would have been easy...
lengthy, but easy.

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#168190 - 2006-09-22 12:53 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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Bjorn and Gargoyle

So is this the type of thing you're looking for, or something else ?

http://www.kixtart.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=168455

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#168191 - 2006-09-22 01:02 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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Along those lines, albiet I believe this will be very easy, but then again.... there could be hidden dangers. I will post my solution tomorrow.
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#168192 - 2006-09-22 01:07 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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No, no hidden dangers and it is easy for someone with experience with KiXtart.

However, someone that is quite new to KiXtart I'm sure would have a difficult time figuring this out.

I'm sure you and Bjorn are quite up to the challenge and I'll increase the difficulty as it progresses if there is interest.


As with most scripting tasks there often are more ways then one to achieve the objective and it's nice to see other methods chosen by other users.


Edited by NTDOC (2006-09-22 01:08 AM)

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#168193 - 2006-09-22 01:57 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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Another facet would be to have the scripter explain within the code what it is doing.

This provides not only good documentation skills, but helps anyone reading it, to know what is going on and maybe learn from it as well.

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#168194 - 2006-09-22 02:26 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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Doc,
I think this is a great KiXtart starter challenge, the knowledge gained from the ability to read/write to the registry is important and very useful to the novice/master scripter.

Gargoyle,
I agree blocked documentation of the process as it proceeds thru the script is key to the ability of the scripter to follow along as well as making it easier to go back to the script at a later date and decipher what you did.


Edited by benny69 (2006-09-22 02:30 AM)
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#168195 - 2006-09-22 04:12 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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This was posted by "therob" in the Mini-Golf thread so I deleted it and I'm posting his comments here.

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ok this is more microgolf ;-). Nah, dont get me wrong, thanks for taking my suggestion serious. But what i had in mind was something that average scripters can play and starters can learn from.
So, the challenge could be to write a script about a realworld task, (or maybe more motivating: to write a script to find a solution to a riddle). The focus wouldnt be as much on the script length, but on the best way to implement that task (short, proper written) so one could learn about the different possible ways to implement a task.


edit: ops, this should be in the other thread. sorry.

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#168196 - 2006-09-22 04:16 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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d.r.,

Well what you're asking is a bit more difficult to manage and know what "level" to have it at.

Often the hardest part is getting the code going to do the task in the first place.

Though the first round in the Mini-Golf is way too basic for yourself, if there is interest then over time the task will become more challenging.

Jens has done many challenges and if you look in the past or wait around I'm sure he'll come up with one soon that is more in line with your current skill level I'm sure.

There are always going to be scripters at varying levels of understanding, thus targeting to a vary narrow group is difficult to do.
 


Edited by NTDOC (2006-09-22 04:16 AM)

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#168197 - 2006-09-22 06:47 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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I'm trying to not make the Golf challenges to complicated. for the current one, there's a analysis of the challenge posted online that contains the complete framework script for the solution. One would just need to convert that framework to KiXtart and would have had a workign solution. Thus, not much scripting required.

However, one way to start off some Mini-Golfing would be to grab an existing UDF and Golf it down. I won't be able to do the Mini-Golfs due to time constraints on my side.
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#168198 - 2006-09-22 07:44 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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Doc, Jochen, Sealeopard - Yes - perhaps the 'golfing' should be removed - and yes doc, your 'task' you linked to is really in the terms my mindset was asking for right now.
Therob - Sorry to have stolen your idea and that it somewhat came out easier then what your plan was - but I know there's a lot of us out here that need to bump our common knowledge about these things - and like doc said - (or, think he said ) the task can become more.. challenging.

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#168199 - 2006-09-22 07:55 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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Your Golf isn't really perhaps 'complicated' in the way to find a solution - but, for unexperienced users, kixing it can prove very uneasy. Like the last one, I knew how to move the marbles, but no idea how to make it scriptable at all, no matter the language
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#168200 - 2006-09-23 03:08 AM Re: OT (off)/ OT (on) : Golfing / Minigolf
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Therob - Sorry to have stolen your idea and that it somewhat came out easier then what your plan was - but I know there's a lot of us out here that need to bump our common knowledge about these things - and like doc said - (or, think he said ) the task can become more.. challenging.




Ideas are free. I'm perfectly fine if there are "microgolf" challenges for starters (also).
I just came up with the idea because i saw that kixgolfing is a fun way to train your scripting capabilities, but the original kixgolf was just for them who dream about UDFs at night. (no offense, its just over my head )

And i thought there might be a lot of people out there -like me- who have some scripting experince, who are able to come up with a solution for most of the every day tasks, but know that most of the time there are better, simpler, faster -whatever- ways of doing that.
So i would be nice if it would go this direction. I do realize that its not that easy to come up with a minigolf game like that, but hey, that would be the challenge for the mods.
Nah, i try to think about something a little bit more concrete myself and suggest it then...
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