thanks for taking the time out! i wasnt aware of those 'switches' up there, ccmsetup.exe got more options than CEOs do with stock, huh. that script, although, i have tried. kix 3.63 doesnt like it. i like it! elder kix doesnt. i have as well watered down the script and came pretty close to what you have, to no avail. im starting to think that im just flat out retarded.