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#111348 - 2004-01-07 06:18 AM You say logon ... I say login !
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Working late tonight doing some docs and looking for a diversion. I have always wondered about the the term "Logon script" versus "Login script" ... which term is correct ? Is one more correct than the other. Are both correct but in different contexts ... a quick google of these terms yields:

"login script" - 92k hits

"logon script" - 31k hits

Which term do you use ? Am I just getting over-tired ?

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#111349 - 2004-01-07 07:08 AM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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I'm not sure if it is true but I think one of the terms is Microsoft and the other one is Novell or Unix.

And I use.... Login. It has something to do with the Dutch language because "Inloggen" is a Dutch verb.
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#111350 - 2004-01-07 07:23 AM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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I've actually always wondered the same thing

I use both...Whichever comes to mind first.

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#111351 - 2004-01-07 09:24 AM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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I used Login, but changed to Logon.

Why?
Well I think Log IN is connected to Log OUT and Log ON is to Log OFF

Since M$ speaks of "Log Off Patrick" in my startmenu, IMHO I have to use Logon to get "on" the system...
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#111352 - 2004-01-07 09:54 AM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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Dear,

Before Novell and MS exist we were already using login. In those days everything on your
computer was presenting in English. Now all kind of languages are available, which had possible
influence on a new names. It can be a misuse of login in/on.

The link login shows
login = The process of identifying oneself to a computer, usually by entering one's username and password.
Also it shows information about the the misuse of it. Looking at logon
shows, that
logon = variant of login
So we are going for login.

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#111353 - 2004-01-07 09:59 AM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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In Dutch dictionaries 'aanloggen'->'logon' doesn't exist, 'inloggen'->'login' does. If you see it that way you have to use login

What a bullshit.. GR@#$@#*HH Use what you like to use...

What about logoff and logout......
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#111354 - 2004-01-07 10:22 AM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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Heh, I like these ones.

Well, traditional *nix prompts when you conect are always "Login:", so if you are looking for a precedent that's probably it.

I (like many IT bods who've been in the industry for a while) tend to mix the two terms depending on the last one I read.

I suggest that you pick one you like and stick with it. If anyone complains, roll your eyes and mutter "pedant" repeatedly until they stop

However, in the spirit of livening up the debate, here are two different pseudo-etymological reasons for the differences, neither of which should be taken seriously:
  1. Login indicates a process or action. It is the action of authenticating using credentials, usually an id and password pair. The antonym is "logout".
    Logon is a process state. You may "have" a logon.


    OR


  2. Login indicates the process of local authentication to an individual machine, i.e. you "login" to a *nix server, router or stand-alone PC to get into it.
    Logon indicates the process of remote authentication to an amorphous resource, i.e. you "logon" to a domain. You are not directly attached to it

    You are in a car, but on the road. Yes, I know it's a sophisticated and devisive analogy, but it amused me


Interestingly, the Webopedia entry only has the term "log on" as seperate words, with the synonyms being "log in" and "login" - there is no "logon".

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#111355 - 2004-01-07 12:03 PM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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Lets Googlism them...


login is also known as plogi
logon is pretty useless

Since logon is pretty useless lets use plogi...


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ogin is for registered users registration is for new users login
login is world acc
login is incorrect
login is not "taking"
login is restricted to 00
login is a manufacturer of wedding
login is missing
login is not yet available
login is allowed terminal is
login is on two lines
login is so special
login is required
login is mislukt
login is for registered users
login is not effective after sp3
login is not "taking"
login is not working
login is required by hugo fournier
login is vereist
login is ugly
login is allowed terminal is disabled but root login is allowed
login is allowed terminal is disabled but root login is allowed''
login is very slow
login is required for this page
login is broken
login is mwlily@advogato
login is also known as plogi
login is necessary ?
login is cawthra and password is park fulltext magazine and newspaper articles
login is not suid; therefore
login is set to a number greater
login is world accessable
login is invoked without an argument
login is invoked without a username
login is a microsoft® windows nt® user or group and has been denied access
login is not supported
login is necessary
login is like this
login is peeldsb and password is home fulltext magazine and newspaper articles
login is failing
login is coming to ubc
login is not specified get_login will be called
login is the login name
login is used to establish a new session with the system
login is only valid for the duration of the current acorn session
login is for
login is easy
login is chosen to be the master for the account
login is used when signing onto a system
login is set to a number greater than zero
login is invoked by the system when a connection is first established
login is remembered between browser sessions
login is generated
login is achieved through the use of a "cookie
login is invoked by the system when a connection is first esta
login is an identification and authentication mechanism that is invoked by a port monitor
login is used for user authentication and a database user account is used for database access and permissions validation
login is a clearinghouse for information and activities relevant to local government officials
login is unsuccessful you will see the original login boxes
login is allowed
login is not correct
login is webmaster and the password is wgxrules
login is already present in the authentication database
login is
login is present in a toolbar where all saved logins are shown and can be organized the same fashion as the urls in "favorites"
login is just a way your webserver identifies you
login is complete
login is based on your uniqname
login is easy to install and configure
login is as follows
login is the same username you use to login
login is available on the web page of the text you are accessing
login is passed to the login program
login is used at the beginning of each terminal session to properly
login is the name you used to log into www
login is through udp port 407
login is your electronic identity with the university systems
login is successful





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logon is locatged
logon is not needed
logon is cookie based
logon is the procedure used to get access to an operating system or application
logon is limited to 14 character password
logon is synchronous under these conditions
logon is denied
logon is successful
logon is set for your primary logon
logon is a windows nt shareware that automates logon in five easy steps
logon is shareware
logon is not valid
logon is a prepaid internet card
logon is organized into three operating divisions
logon is not needed for this report"
logon is an ad agency
logon is in the pds security cookie
logon is performed
logon is closed and the password is entered due to inactivity
logon is $4
logon is less than the number of keystrokes you will need to work around these bugs
logon is pretty useless
logon is not used to identify the user
logon is done in machine context as compared to compared to user context
logon is intended for
logon is set to medium/high
logon is set
logon is installed and then in primary network logon and select
logon is enabled
logon is set to frs
logon is supported with windows 2000 and xp domains while network logon is supported with windows nt
logon is required to connect the network file servers
logon is set up to open a specific menu
logon is initiated when you insert you card at the ctrl
logon is organized into five operating divisions
logon is credited for being instrumental in the growth of the omg in europe
logon is different from the window password
logon is not responsible for and does not necessarily endorse the contents of these web sites
logon is all about
logon is
logon is indicated
logon is achieved via mapilogonex function
logon is located on the home page directly under the day/date
logon is located in the middle of this window and will be defaulted
logon is your network's front door
logon is determined by your company policies * using sql authentication
logon is determined by your company policies
logon is proud to bring to your attention partners who have commited to helping logon bring you the best internet technology and application services possible
logon is here for you
logon is required before booking
logon is normally accessed via a link provided at http
logon is complete
logon is a "platform"
logon is the project
logon is used
logon is the name you use to logon to your account
logon is considered first choice for creativity in product functions and potentiality
logon is organized into two operating divisions
logon is unsuccessful and i don't get my cookie
logon is a very important element in the data link system
logon is via a slow connection
logon is not supported by all microsoft networks
logon is used to track desktop configurations and colors for different users on the same computer
logon is displayed
logon is retried at the
logon is separate from your mainframe
logon is having problems logging onto an iseries or to a notes database
logon is an a+ certified service center
logon is clicked and access to nfc is verified
logon is the area in which the association is formed
logon is the next generation of access to web sites and networks
logon is covered
logon is your first name followed by the first initial of your last name
logon is rejected and the username prompt will be displayed again
logon is hoofdlettergevoelig neem een gratis quotez account aanloggen als gast wachtwoord vergeten zet een willekeurige quote op mijn homepage
logon is case sensitive
logon is displayed in the primary network logon drop
logon is in fact
logon is the same as your user name
logon is a compaq eservices utility that provides common logon and session security for a wide variety of web
logon is forwarded to an alternate authentication package
logon is very clear
logon is "johnwa"
logon is initiated
logon is for registered users of curriculum online





Edited by Co (2004-01-07 12:23 PM)
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#111356 - 2004-01-07 02:44 PM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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From what I can remember, *nix has always used login. When Novell came around, they continued usage of the term login. Anytime someone mentions login scripts, I immediately think of NetWare.

The first time I ever remember hearing the term logon it was for Windows NT 3.5. I guess MS just couldn't live with the standard terms and had to start making up their own. The only other possibility is that OpenVMS may have used that term and NT kept it (along with the kernel).

I'm pretty sure that logon is an MS invention since people that don't dabble in Windows at all, all say login.
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#111357 - 2004-01-07 02:53 PM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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Since Novell has its roots in nix, it uses "Login". M$ had to be different and uses "Logon".
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#111358 - 2004-01-07 03:48 PM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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Can't we all just "log along"??



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#111359 - 2004-01-07 04:24 PM Re: You say logon ... I say login !
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I too go by the method of which comes the mind first.!

Generally I mix and match, but reading the rest of the thread, I think I'll change to Login.

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