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#111260 - 2004-01-05 04:55 PM .Kix File Association?
Glenn Barnas Glenn Barnas KiX Supporter Registered: 2003-01-28 Posts: 4402 Loc: New Jersey	When we install Kix, we associate .KIX with Kix32.exe, and .KXW with WKix32.exe. We also add .KIX & .KXW to the PathExt variable, so when we type Code: script it executes script.kix or script.kxw. One of our teammates has suggested that we change the default association to READ (open in NotePad) instead of EXECUTE, because "some idiot could double-click a .KIX file and run something they shouldn't" I don't really agree, but am willing to entertain comments.. anyone? Thanks! Glenn _________________________ Actually I am a Rocket Scientist! $\:D$
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#111261 - 2004-01-05 05:00 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Sealeopard Sealeopard KiX Master Registered: 2001-04-25 Posts: 11165 Loc: Boston, MA, USA	The only reason I see to have KiXtart scripts be executed automatically based on the extension is if you want to integrate KiXtart scripts into AD without using a batch file to call them. See How-TO: Run KiXtart scripts via LPO/GPO . However, in general, I'd rather associate KiXtart extensions with Notepad or any other text editor in order to prevent unintentional running of KiXtart scripts. The same applies to VBScript/JavaScript extensions. Edited by sealeopard (2004-01-05 05:16 PM) _________________________ There are two types of vessels, submarines and targets.
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#111262 - 2004-01-05 05:07 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Richard H. Richard H. Administrator Registered: 2000-01-24 Posts: 4946 Loc: Leatherhead, Surrey, UK	Yup agreed - always associate the script's default action with an editor where possible.
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#111263 - 2004-01-05 05:12 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Glenn Barnas Glenn Barnas KiX Supporter Registered: 2003-01-28 Posts: 4402 Loc: New Jersey	Hmm, so you start every script by Code: kix32 scriptname ?? _________________________ Actually I am a Rocket Scientist! $\:D$
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#111264 - 2004-01-05 05:17 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	That's how I start mine (ScriptName.KiX). I do not use any association at all, not even to NotePad. When my scripts are in development, I use the TXT extension and rename it to KiX only when it goes into production. Edited by Les (2004-01-05 05:20 PM) _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#111265 - 2004-01-05 05:18 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Sealeopard Sealeopard KiX Master Registered: 2001-04-25 Posts: 11165 Loc: Boston, MA, USA	Yes, or even Code: KIX32 SCRIPT.KXS as I am converting to .KXS as the default extensions for 'KiXtart Script' and .KXF as the default extension for 'KiXtart User Defined Function' containing a single UDF. _________________________ There are two types of vessels, submarines and targets.
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#111266 - 2004-01-05 05:19 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Wizard Wizard Hey THIS is FUN Registered: 2000-12-05 Posts: 264 Loc: Bristol, England	I also change the default association of .REG files for the same reason.! _________________________ Wizard There's no place like 127.0.0.1 vb \| kix \| batch \| html \| cfm \| js \| english
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#111267 - 2004-01-05 05:37 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Glenn Barnas Glenn Barnas KiX Supporter Registered: 2003-01-28 Posts: 4402 Loc: New Jersey	OK - but couldn't the same logic be applied to Perl (.PL) files? What about .BAT or CMD?? And creating a .BAT file to invoke Kix32 and a specific script (or perl or VBS, for that matter) - is that any less dangerous? In our group discussion, only the .Kix files were singled out. BTW - my policy is to place all scripts in a specific folder with only Admin access rights, so inadvertant access is pretty unlikely. Glenn _________________________ Actually I am a Rocket Scientist! $\:D$
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#111268 - 2004-01-05 05:47 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Radimus Radimus Moderator Registered: 2000-01-06 Posts: 5187 Loc: Tampa, FL	I have kix associated with notepad on my development machine, and with nothing on the client machines. _________________________ How to ask questions the smart way <-----------> Before you ask
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#111269 - 2004-01-05 06:12 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Kdyer Kdyer KiX Supporter Registered: 2001-01-03 Posts: 6241 Loc: Tigard, OR	I know that MCA's KIXnnnRegistry.EXE or KIXnnnUPDATE.EXE files do the association as well. Kent _________________________ Utilize these resources: UDFs (Full List) KiXtart FAQ & How to's
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#111270 - 2004-01-05 06:55 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
MCA MCA KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-04-28 Posts: 5152 Loc: Netherlands, EU	Dear, We are waiting for definitive changes in the file associations, when Ruud has publish his definitive choose. greetings. _________________________ email scripting@wanadoo.nl homepage scripting@wanadoo.nl \| Links \| Summary of Site Site KiXforms FAQ kixtart.org library collection mirror MCA \| FAQ & UDF help file UDF kixtart.org library collection mirror MCA \| mirror USA \| mirror europe UDF scriptlogic library collection UDFs \| mirror MCA
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#111271 - 2004-01-05 08:56 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Kdyer Kdyer KiX Supporter Registered: 2001-01-03 Posts: 6241 Loc: Tigard, OR	If that is the case, we need to update the BKM FAQ too. For example, we need to insure that the .SCR is removed too. Kent _________________________ Utilize these resources: UDFs (Full List) KiXtart FAQ & How to's
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#111272 - 2004-01-05 09:27 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11631 Loc: CA	Glenn, Adding an automatic association on your own system is one thing, but adding it to your user's Workstations is where the possible issue may arise. VBS is automatically associated by Microsoft and that is what allowed the rise in VBS script type viruses. Nothing is evil about WSH and the VBS language, but rather how it was used for evil intent. Most Enterprise email systems now days automatically either block or strip out .CMD .BAT .COM .EXE .VBS .HTA etc... Scripting languages allow a much greater ability to silently damage a system then just a typical .BAT alone can. By setting up your desktops to have a file association with KIX32.EXE or WKIX32.EXE will place KiXtart in the same predicament as Windows Scripting Host and VBS files. No one thought anything about VBS accept a useful scripting tool until someone came along and used it in a negative method in the form of MELISSA I don't think any of the Antivirus vendors write any code to try and trap a rouge KiX script as they do now days for VBS files. One could some day perhaps get hammered by an email sent to users that would run a KiXtart script that damaged their system just like a VBS file can. By not associating KiXtart the ability to perform such a task is extremely minimized. Hopefully the above scenario would never happen. However, one needs to reason why you really need the association and if the benefit outways any possible risks.
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#111273 - 2004-01-05 10:17 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Kdyer Kdyer KiX Supporter Registered: 2001-01-03 Posts: 6241 Loc: Tigard, OR	Doc, I am in complete agreement. Two things to think about here.. If you create the association as a Developer, that is one thing. If you create the association for the common user and they "automatically" run kix files, I would be hesitant to do that. Sure, at logon, this is fine, but by happenstance, it would exhibit behavior like that of VBS or WSH. Right now, KiX has a pretty good reputation as being clean and if we got the bad-boy behavior, it would definitely smudge it's reputation. Kent _________________________ Utilize these resources: UDFs (Full List) KiXtart FAQ & How to's
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#111274 - 2004-01-05 10:53 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
Glenn Barnas Glenn Barnas KiX Supporter Registered: 2003-01-28 Posts: 4402 Loc: New Jersey	Ah... here's the distinction! I was referring to administrative scripts on my servers. We have no scripts on workstations - in fact, we have no workstations that we support! I've never enabled scripting on a user workstation (other than login scripts, and then the KIX executable is usually on the login server). I always utilize scripts on the servers for the admins that support them, however. They're restricted to admin access for execute. We're effectively an ASP - we have a few hundred servers that we manage, and often utilize scripting tools - .KIX and .PL - to accomplish and automate our tasks. Only people on the administrative staff have access to these systems (via console - all other access is via application such as web, SQL, and such). The only user's we have that can log on to the server and possibly execute these commands are our own admin and support staff. Further, the KIX executable is in the same folder (with same access perms) as the scripts, so a "rogue" script should be of little consequence. Does this change your perspective any? Glenn _________________________ Actually I am a Rocket Scientist! $\:D$
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#111275 - 2004-01-05 11:00 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
MCA MCA KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-04-28 Posts: 5152 Loc: Netherlands, EU	Dear, We are using only kixtart file associations on clients who are working on kixtart scripting. Normal users don't have any file association to it. Also all kind of unwanted associations are removed during each logging on. A normal user aren't editting, debugging or creating any kixtart script. greetings. _________________________ email scripting@wanadoo.nl homepage scripting@wanadoo.nl \| Links \| Summary of Site Site KiXforms FAQ kixtart.org library collection mirror MCA \| FAQ & UDF help file UDF kixtart.org library collection mirror MCA \| mirror USA \| mirror europe UDF scriptlogic library collection UDFs \| mirror MCA
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#111276 - 2004-01-05 11:21 PM Re: .Kix File Association?
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11631 Loc: CA	No Glenn, It does not change my perspective (with respect to the desktop). However it does now give me more information to agree with you. No reason why you can't run KiXtart on a Web Server like .PL does. We have done it here before on a Server for testing and it seemed to work fine. I think Lonkero even ran it on his Server in a similar manner.
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