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#108861 - 2003-11-25 02:09 PM Is it just me?
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I used to come to KORG first thing in the morning and there were a ton of posts to peruse. Is this not the case anymore? Is it due to the new board?

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#108862 - 2003-11-25 02:22 PM Re: Is it just me?
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Nope, not just you. Howard and I were chatting about this just last night. We see a big slow-down in activity too. I think the change in the URL for the BBS part of KORG didn't help matters. But hopefully folks will find their way back here over the coming weeks. If not, don't know what to say.
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#108863 - 2003-11-25 02:24 PM Re: Is it just me?
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for the US, it may just be for the Thanksgiving day vacations and such... but early morning is would be the Europeans... Do they celebrate kicking out the pigrims before they became Americans?
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#108864 - 2003-11-25 02:52 PM Re: Is it just me?
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#108865 - 2003-11-25 03:16 PM Re: Is it just me?
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Obviously, I don't post as much as you guys, but I read just about everything. I noticed this before the new board as well.

The one thing I've been surprised by, is the number of anonymous users. There are times during the day where the anons outnumber the registered users...

But I can't help but wonder if all the "RTFMs" and just the shear amount of previous good posts, has all but eliminated the need for the great help around here.

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#108866 - 2003-11-25 03:28 PM Re: Is it just me?
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I think the old URL should definately have either an HTTP redirect or forward page.

The first couple of days the board was back I was picking up the URL from my favorites and assumed it was still down.

It was only when I opened the main page to look for status information that I found the new board URL.

Any site with a referal to the (old) board will fail, and people will assume that the board is no longer operative.

The redirect should also handle external links to old threads.

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#108867 - 2003-11-25 03:42 PM Re: Is it just me?
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I sent Henri an email asking if there could be a redirect but got no reply. I think the problem is in the old URL, http://www.kixtart.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=006404 as it references cgi code, new cgi code would have to be written for a redirect to work. It would not be a plain jane html redirect.

The accuracy of the number of "Guest" surfers on the old board was always in question, as it often went over 50 at any given time. On the new board it is way way down, often in the single digits. Since we cannot accept the old stats as gospel, there is no point in comparing. One can however, look at the Nedstat reports at http://www.nedstatbasic.net/s?tab=1&link=1&id=756895
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#108868 - 2003-11-25 04:21 PM Re: Is it just me?
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as it references cgi code, new cgi code would have to be written for a redirect to work




Redirecting to the correct topic would be great and very simple if the topic numbers have remained the same.

Just putting a "this site has moved" page up for now would help a great deal to catch visitors who are linking to the old URL - the topic redirects can come later.

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#108869 - 2003-11-25 06:59 PM Re: Is it just me?
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An ambitious coder could probably cobble together a table that translates old to new but doubt we have anyone willing to take on the task.

Even a static table that translates the old topics to the new ones would be nice. Maybe we could lobby MCA into doing it if he can get access to the old and the new.
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#108870 - 2003-11-26 07:56 AM Re: Is it just me?
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I'll join Al's post. This board is the best board I know with a lot of Guru's as member. So if you are an anonymous user and you know how to search it isn't really necessary to join the board or reply to someone else his topic. It is a shame because it is the power of this board...
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#108871 - 2003-11-26 08:00 AM Re: Is it just me?
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But... Some replies are as sharp as a knife.. So if I was a Newbie I'll think twice before posting a new topic...

Edited by Co (2003-11-26 08:04 AM)
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#108872 - 2003-11-26 10:24 AM Re: Is it just me?
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Dear,

When you see Ruud's latest mail for him this site is the major site for kixtart.
When you are searching for "kixtart" this site will be the first entry in most
search engine.

Our experience is, that each interruption shows a decreasement of total usage.
Seeing the statistics the amount of posts of top25 members is lower. Lower because
less questions.

Indeed the "views" column shows how much activities are on the board. Something
which wasn't possible to see on previous UBB.Classic version.
When you see the statistical info we see the
same pattern with previous months. In the months April, May and June we will have
a lower value for it. So it isn't specific related to this move.
Also it shouldn't be necessary that usage is growing and growing each month.
Another tendens of this year is, that the amount of replies on one topic is
growing and growing. In the beginning mostly two or four replies on one
topic.

When people are very active with kixtart and this board they know some other
sites like "scriptlogic", "kixhelp", "kixforms" and our sites. Sites who can
return information about possible 'unknown' status of "kixtart.org" site.

Les, how continuing the statistical information we are working. Important is,
that we see a stable layout. The introduction of style sheets makes this possible.
In the past in some situations a new font or a new URL format requires additional
actions of us.
For each old entry we can create an redirect page. It is only necessary that
Henri will put them on his site. This process is of course very simple, when
we have our statistical information back on track again.

Anonymous user doesn't mean it isn't a member. Most of them are
members who want to be anonym on the board.
greetings.
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#108873 - 2003-11-26 11:20 AM Re: Is it just me?
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A quick check shows that there is no correlation between the old BB post number and the new, so unless Henri got a translation file when he converted the board there is not much chance of automatically redirecting to the correct page

I think all the old URLs should display a page which explains what has happened to the board, and offer links to the new main page or the search page.

The very low number of posts we are seeing is good evidence that people are not finding the new board.

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#108874 - 2003-11-26 11:53 AM Re: Is it just me?
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Dear,

We have both lists. Only we need to create those translation file. Based on that
translation file we can create a mechanism above redirecting to new URL of old topic
URL.
So, there is a chance for redirecting. Only Henri much put our redirect pages on his
site in the "cgi-bin" directory.
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