Now I have one place where it is usefull to use these programs.
before I thought that they are useless, but seems that there are users "wise" enough.
well, maybe I will someday have those smart ppl as users too.
but the doing of logon.exe and crypting scripts is pretty extreme. I believe that kixstrip will do enough for you and every user on your site. who the heck can read script that normal editor can't handle (too long line). 
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