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#105280 - 2003-10-01 08:53 PM Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Thought you guys might be able to shed some light on this problem, or maybe provide some leads ... We are currently deploying MS Jet SP7 to all our NT4 wkstns via Tivoli, which basically installs this stuff running as a service type thing on the wkstn, in the background ... For some strange reason, out of about 70 wkstns in a single distribution, MS Jet will not install on one of them sqwaking something about Insufficient Disk space on the wkstn, even though its actually not that big of a package, plus there are about 3-4GB of free space there. Don`t have alot of extra detail right now, other than to ask if anyone has seen this strange intermittent behavior in the past, and wondering if there is an INF setting that might stop the disk space check from happening. Or better yet, propose a theory as to why some wkstns have this problem. Could it be something to do with just %TEMP% space, i dont know ... -Shawn [ 01. October 2003, 21:51: Message edited by: Shawn ]
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#105281 - 2003-10-01 09:01 PM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Howard Bullock Howard Bullock KiX Supporter Registered: 2000-09-15 Posts: 5809 Loc: Harrisburg, PA USA	Are you deploying the right version to NT4 clients? quote: There are five versions of the Jet 4.0 SP7 download. The first download is only for computers that are running Windows 98 or Windows NT 4.0. The second download is only for computers that are running Windows 2000. The third download is only for computers that are running Windows Millennium Edition. The fourth download is only for computers that are running Windows XP. The fifth download is only for computers that are running Windows Server 2003. Each download contains updated versions of several .dll files that are included with Access 2002, Microsoft Office XP Developer, Microsoft Visual Basic version 6.0 or later, and other Microsoft products that incorporate Jet database engine 4.0. _________________________ Home page: http://www.kixhelp.com/hb/
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#105282 - 2003-10-01 09:17 PM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Running this one here: Jet40SP7_9xNT.exe -Shawn
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#105283 - 2003-10-01 09:32 PM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	The other thing to bear in mind, based on current stats, this problem only happens on less than 1% of the workstations (1 out of 70) ... all our wkstns are pretty much identical in terms of OS and APPS (you know what I mean, thats in theory) ... so can't explain this anomoly, for some reason, the install gets an incorrect picture of free disk space ...
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#105284 - 2003-10-01 09:53 PM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Chris S. Chris S. MM club member Registered: 2002-03-18 Posts: 2368 Loc: Earth	I don't know how they do math up there in Toronto, but 1 out of 70 is decidedly more (not less) than 1% here in Dayton. 1.4%, in fact. Basta! Other than that, I have nothing meaningful to add here. [ 01. October 2003, 21:54: Message edited by: Chris S. ]
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#105285 - 2003-10-01 09:55 PM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	dad, you not online, you basta! having 1 or 2 questions and some cursing words... you busy? _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#105286 - 2003-10-01 09:56 PM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Oh crap, forgot to mention the other 31 wkstns we ran ok yesterday ... can I skate or can I skate ? basta ryhmer ! -Shawn
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#105287 - 2003-10-01 09:57 PM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	I have found that with some installers (older ones mostly) that the real problem is too much free disk space (over 2 gig). If it fails a manual install, temporarily increase the size of the page file to reduce the amount of free space. If that does it, find yourself a stick and go beat on someone with it. _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#105288 - 2003-10-01 10:00 PM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Me going home now, catch you guys later on MSN ...
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#105289 - 2003-10-01 11:32 PM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	I agree with Les, in fact I think NAV has a KB about something like that where the install fails because it "thinks" there is not enough even though there is. Also the installer from WiseSolutions has a KB on this. None of them list real fixes that I remember. Just appears to be a fluke that some systems return.. ie (buggy installer tool)
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#105290 - 2003-10-02 12:40 AM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Les, Doc, this is good info to go on ... if this happened on just one machine, would have dismissed it and just re-imaged the machine, but it has happened on two, maybe three, so can't dismiss it that easily ... we've got about 10,000 of these things to do in the next few week and want to investigate fully ... This notion that the install is getting faked into thinking there is not enough disk space sounds like a good lead ... this will be my first plan of attack in the morning. Would like to find these KB articles you are referring to, if you run across them before I do, let me know. -Shawn
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#105291 - 2003-10-02 02:29 AM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
NTDOC NTDOC Administrator Registered: 2000-07-28 Posts: 11624 Loc: CA	One doc from Symantec Not enough disk space error message during installation of Norton AntiVirus Could not find the one from Wise Solutions It might also be possible that either the FAT or MFT is reporting the free disk space incorrectly due to a corrupted block or bad index file.
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#105292 - 2003-10-02 02:36 AM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Thanks for that. Good idea about the reporting thingy, in fact - going to whip up a quick kix script tomorrow that reports on free disk space and have the guy at the remote site run it on the wkstn ... By the way, that IE Version script of yours - you sure you got ALL the permutations in there ? I just tried running your script on my Compaq Pocket PC to see if it would detect my Pocket Internet Explorer ... got this weird system error, whats up with that ? -Shawn [ 02. October 2003, 02:38: Message edited by: Shawn ]
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#105293 - 2003-10-02 02:47 AM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	waddup wit dat... heheehee _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#105294 - 2003-10-02 02:52 AM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	ja, when i run kix32.exe from Windows CE on my Compaq, a messagebox pops saying "Step away from the IPAQ" !!! wtf ?
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#105295 - 2003-10-02 02:58 AM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Actually, has anyone actually tried to run Kix32.exe on Windows CE ? I'm like 99.9 % sure it will kak but lets see what happens, going to try it just for grins ! -Shawn
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#105296 - 2003-10-02 03:05 AM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	lol, this is for the record (just in case anyone ever asks one day) code: +=======================================+ \| KIX32.EXE (ok) \| +=======================================+ \| \ / 'KIX32' is not a valid \| \| \/ pocket PC Application \| \| /\ \| \| / \ \| +=======================================+ [im an idiot] roflmao -Shawn
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#105297 - 2003-10-02 03:11 AM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Les Les KiX Master Registered: 2001-06-11 Posts: 12734 Loc: fortfrances.on.ca	Ruud? _________________________ Give a man a fish and he will be back for more. Slap him with a fish and he will go away forever.
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#105298 - 2003-10-02 04:10 AM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Sealeopard Sealeopard KiX Master Registered: 2001-04-25 Posts: 11165 Loc: Boston, MA, USA	Try KiXtart v2.33 or v3.63 instead. _________________________ There are two types of vessels, submarines and targets.
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#105299 - 2003-10-02 04:29 AM Re: Interesting problem installing MS Jet 40 SP7 on NT4
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	ja, jlo suggested same on msn and we got the exact same error on 2.32 ... funny thing is, pocket pc doesn't even come with a native command window so would be an interesting excerise running any scripting language on Windows CE.
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