Yeah, that was done to me too. The tied to a stick part anyway. Noone else knows of the KixTart.chm, or I am sure they would have made me do that too. I have gotten patches and even pushed ServicePack 3 to 2000 machines and Servicepack 1a to XP machines...but it wasn't pretty!! Thanks for the info on the SU Service. It will come in handy in a couple of months, when I get back to my base.

John