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#102552 - 2003-07-03 09:05 PM Kix license agreement question
ntsecrets ntsecrets Lurker Registered: 2003-07-03 Posts: 1 Loc: Waltham MA	I know kix is "careware" but there is no mention about redistributing it, say if it is bundled in a product my company is selling or leasing. Maybe this is a stupid question and that is assumed you can or can not with share/careware but does anyone know? Thanks,
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#102553 - 2003-07-03 09:19 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
Sealeopard Sealeopard KiX Master Registered: 2001-04-25 Posts: 11165 Loc: Boston, MA, USA	To be on the safe side, you should not provide KiXtart with your commercial product but link to KiXtart.org where your customers can download the KiXtart package. Alternatively, you can try to contact Ruud van Velsen (the developer) or contact Scriptlogic/Ruud through http://www.scriptlogic.com/kixtart/default.asp , there's an email address on the right side that you can use (KiXtart2001@hotmail.com). However, you are definitely not allowed to commercialize KiXtart itself, thus you're not allowed to sell KiXtart. _________________________ There are two types of vessels, submarines and targets.
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#102554 - 2003-07-03 09:20 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
Lonkero Lonkero KiX Master Guru Registered: 2001-06-05 Posts: 22346 Loc: OK	sure there is in the manual about re-distro. but as all other proggies, you also need to consult the rights owner about distributing parts or similar in your own util. I have skipped some stuff from my utils but basically, I suggest you mail to ruud (mail addy in doc) to be sure how far you can go with some install type. there are products out there that use kix and tools that use only part of kix package... anyway, if one wants to make sure to avoid potential law-suits, one should go via ruud's blessing. _________________________ ! download KiXnet
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#102555 - 2003-07-03 10:04 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	ScriptLogic is a perfect example of a commercial product that uses/ships with Kixtart. Visual Kixtart is another one. If you get Ruud's blessing and meet whatever requirements he may have, your gold (afiak) On another note, looks as if Simplified Networks has come out with their next generation VisKix ... Visual Kixtart -Shawn
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#102556 - 2003-07-03 11:16 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
Richie19Rich77 Richie19Rich77 Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-16 Posts: 624 Loc: London, England	Shawn I guess the same applies to KixForms, I hope that you have copyright on it or some kind of license to say people cannot sell it to make money. With KixForms and KixForms Developer Kix Scripting is becoming more and more comercial. Kepp up the good work, the partnership of the two is just so good for the kix community. Rich. [ 03. July 2003, 23:21: Message edited by: Richard Farthing ]
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#102557 - 2003-07-03 11:28 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Richard, when I saw this thread I thought the same thing. But happily, because Kixforms has zero dependencies on Kixtart, I thought there was no need (in my mind) to consult Ruud on this. But funny you mention this because I DID ask Ruud's permission to use something that is NOT used by Kixtart: $Form = CreateObject("Kixtart.Form") I used (quite innocently) the Kixtart COM namespace !!! I used it pretty much starting day one. So what I did (and this goes back to the topic of this thread) I sent a note to Ruud (about 6 months ago) asking him if I could use the Kixtart.Form COM namespace (and a couple of others namespaces) ... not only did he respond, he was very pleased to hear that someone was actually using the namespace, and gave me permission on the spot. -Shawn [ 03. July 2003, 23:28: Message edited by: Shawn ]
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#102558 - 2003-07-03 11:40 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
Richie19Rich77 Richie19Rich77 Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-16 Posts: 624 Loc: London, England	Well I was not thinking of you using Kix, but what if other users want to make money out of KixForms. Either by using VB as the script language or Kix, is it freeware or can they contact you for permission to use it in a comercial product. Thanks [ 03. July 2003, 23:40: Message edited by: Richard Farthing ]
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#102559 - 2003-07-03 11:49 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Oh ok, now I got yeah ... hmmmm. I dont have any of that fancy legalesse stuff on any docs or in the dll. Other than a simple copyright notice. Dont know what that would "imply" really. KF simply states: Copyright 2003 Freeware There must be a default legal definition of this somewhere but in terms of incorporating KF into a commercial product, it would be ok with me but like you say - what does freeware really mean these days ... i would expect someone to at least send me a curtousy note on that one though, eh ? -Shawn
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#102560 - 2003-07-04 04:57 AM Re: Kix license agreement question
Allen Allen KiX Supporter Registered: 2003-04-19 Posts: 4562 Loc: USA	Shawn, Just a suggestion, I've seen a number of software authors stick a "send a donation" to a Paypal account. Some people actually feel "guilty" about using great freeware and want to contribute Based on other posts I take it you are a/the author of KiXForms... anyone else involved? Not to ask a stupid question but how do you go about writing something like this? (Obviously over my head )
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#102561 - 2003-07-04 03:32 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
masken masken MM club member Registered: 2000-11-27 Posts: 1222 Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden	Just put a "(c) Shawn Tassie in there", and anyone has to ask you... simple as that (I believe ). _________________________ The tart is out there
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#102562 - 2003-07-04 03:51 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
Shawn Shawn Administrator Registered: 1999-08-13 Posts: 8611	Mats, i think your right and that is why i did put that in there. But in terms of paypal and stuff, the only time I would ever consider asking for contributions is if the money could be recycled back into kixforms or into the kixtart community somehow, to make it a better product or place. I dont mean to sound all nicey-nicey and that, its just how i feel at this point in time. I have put a heavy investment of time into Kixforms development, but probably nowhere near the time that Ruud has invested into Kixtart. Its in that "spirit" that I do this. But lets not fool anyone here - I enjoy using Kixtart/Kixforms as much as the next guy so I have my own selfish reasons too. Software development doesn't take much material funding anyways. Mostly time but I tell yeah, what is being funded out-of-pocket is the Kixforms Web-site. Rod is gratiously funding that site himself and for that i say a big thank-you. He's got domain name fees and ISP fees and what-not. Quite nice of him ! -Shawn
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#102563 - 2003-07-04 06:16 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
Richie19Rich77 Richie19Rich77 Seasoned Scripter Registered: 2002-08-16 Posts: 624 Loc: London, England	The real problem with this is that everyone that uses this board, does this for the love of scripting. We don't ask for any money just the joy of seeing other people getting pleasure from our enjoyment. What I don't like is when people like Shawn does all this work in his free time and for the enjoyment of doing this, and then some fool complains and says this don't work and this is not right. I say a big thank you too all the users of this board for the enjoyment that Kix and Kixforms has given me. Rich [ 04. July 2003, 18:16: Message edited by: Richard Farthing ]
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#102564 - 2003-07-07 11:42 PM Re: Kix license agreement question
Gaven Gaven Starting to like KiXtart Registered: 2003-06-19 Posts: 103 Loc: Washinton DC, USA	From a legal view, you shouldn't make any profit off another’s copyrighted material without a contract that states the terms of usage. Otherwise, the copyright owner has a legal right to sue you for damages. Remember, when money is involved always get it on paper. Verbal agreements and emails hold little weight in court as there is typically no notarization of any kind. [ 07. July 2003, 23:43: Message edited by: Gaven ]
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