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#100846 - 2003-05-16 01:32 PM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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well, it's not easy with arcserve either.
best is if you loose a HD.

been there, it was no go...
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#100847 - 2003-05-16 01:52 PM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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Jlo..I had succeded with rehearsals but havent tested yet in red code or different disk.

Does u fellas use any database agent?...and succeded recovering?
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#100848 - 2003-05-16 02:04 PM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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Well... ARCServe 2000 has been pissing me off for years. The Raima db keeps getting corrupted.

Next week I migrate to BrightStor 9. This time will set it up to use SQL. Time will tell if it is any better.
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#100849 - 2003-05-18 08:29 AM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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A little bit old, but an article for those new to the BACKUP scene.

Scheduling, Barcoding, Offsite Tape Tracking, Fiber Attached SAN are a few things that NTBACKUP either can not do, or has trouble doing in a large enterprise. We currently backup approximately 10 Terabytes a week just in our California region alone. Sorry, but NTBACKUP just does not cut it.

http://www.winnetmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7111

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#100850 - 2003-05-19 12:33 AM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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the writer of that has some idea but seems not to know what he is talking about.

"The NT backup program cannot back up open files."
even though it's hidden option, it can.
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#100851 - 2003-05-18 03:46 PM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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Been running NTBackup for a while on my servers, but I don't trust it a single bit. I found that some tapes weren't readable at all, even though the backup operation was successful. NTBackup also cannot retension tapes (even though Seagate has a command-line utility for it that might do the trick though).

Veritas licensing isn't cheap though [Frown]
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#100852 - 2003-05-18 03:56 PM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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tape retension is stupid thingie anyway.

but what comes to unreadable, backup verification is not stupid thing to do.
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#100853 - 2003-05-18 04:32 PM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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[Eek!]

Sept 1999 That is a bit old. Wouldn't have Windows 2000, XP, and 2003 come out since then? [Smile]

Not to mention the weekly security/updates from Microsoft.

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#100854 - 2003-05-18 04:34 PM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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The other thing is that in the case of SQL Server, you do not want to backup the MDF, and NDF files using Veritas, Arcserve, NTBackup anyway. SQL Server has it's own version that works just fine.

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#100855 - 2003-05-18 04:47 PM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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Yeah, 1999 is pretty old! A lot has changed since then, both with the built-in and commercial software.

NTBackup in WIn2k is nothing more than Veritas CrippleWare, meant to entice you to buy the full featured version.

I do not use the SQL Agent from CA, choosing instead to have all my SQL servers do their own backup to a very large drive on the box running ARCServe. ARCServe in turn just backs up the large local drive. The benefit is that I can accurately schedule the SQL backups as often as I want and not reliant on the tape schedule which depends on all the jobs that preceed it.

It also gives me 'belt and suspenders' security with multiple copies of the backup, both on the large local drive and on tape. This is also the suggested methodology for the built-in backup proggy.
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#100856 - 2003-05-19 08:05 AM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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quote:
tape retension is stupid thingie anyway.

but what comes to unreadable, backup verification is not stupid thing to do.
Tape retension is hardly stupid, but quite essential, especielly on certain types on drives (like Travan for example) [Wink]

And yes, even though the backup was verified, the tapes were unreadable/unrecognized...
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#100857 - 2003-05-19 07:18 PM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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1999 is not old in our business. We have project data that often needs recovery. We run a year cycle on normal file/print data, but project data has no time limit. Legal and Business issues dictate that this data be kept available indefinitely. I would think that some data even from Banking or Financial institutes might be required to be "available" for periods up to 7 to 10 years depending on the data.

There are also Databases that can not be shut down as they are 24/7 supported. Hardware snapshot technology is required. You can't take down a terabyte database server and wait for any backup software to back it up as it would be down for probably 2 to 3 days using todays tape technology.

Okay, has this been turned into a chat session? LOL [Big Grin]

Bottom line I guess is that you use what is best for your Company and your needs and with what budget you have.

Here is a list of Backup Software (from St Bernard) for those
Admins who may be looking for something new.

1Vision - 1Safe V3.x
Aelita - ERDisk
Alexandria Corp. - Alexandria Backup and Archive V4.x
American Backup Services - Remote Backup V4.x
Arkeia Corporation (formerly Knox Software) - Arkeia Backup V4.x - V5.x
Atempo Inc. (formerly Quadratec Software) - Time Navigator V3.x
Attix5 - Backup Professional
B & L Associates - BBARS V3.x
BakBone - NetVault V5.x - V6.x
BEI - UltraBac for NT V4.x - V7.x
BridgeHead Software - HyperTape Enterprise Backup V2.x - V3.x
Clunk Click - Clunk Click Online Backup
CommVault Systems - CommVault Backup for NT
CommVault Systems - CommVault Galaxy for NT
Computer Associates - BrightStor ARCserve V6.x - V7.x, 2000, 9.x
Computer Associates - ARCserveIT V6.x
Computer Associates - ARCserve Agent for NT
Computer Associates - Lifeguard V3.x
Computer Data Strategies - Back Again II V4.x
Connected Corporation - Connected Online Backup V4.x
Cristie - PC-Bax V1.x - V3.x
Dantz Development Corporation - Retrospect V5.x - V6.x
Data Center Technologies - DC-Protect V2.x
DuoCor - System Guardian/XC 2000
EMC - EDM for Windows NT Backup Client
EMC - EDM Backup for Windows NT/2000 V3.x
Enveloc (formerly ValueComm) - Enveloc Remote Backup V4.x - V5.x
EtalonSoft - Backup4Sure
EVault (formerly VytalNet) - VytalVault Agent for NT V1.x - V3.x
FalconStor, Inc. - FileSafe File Replicator V1.x
Fujitsu-Siemens - HSMS-CL for NT V4.x - V5.x
Functional Software - COSbackup Enterprise Backup Client for NT V2.x
GRSoftware - GRBackPro V5.x
Gresham Computing - OpenBackup V4.x
HP OpenView - OmniBack II V2.x - V4.x
HP OpenView - Storage Data Protector V5.x
Hicomp Hiback - Hicomp Hiback V3.x
Host Interface International - Double Image V3.x, V5.x
Innovation Data Processing - FDR/Upstream V2.x and above
Legato Systems - NetWorker V4.x - V6.x
Legato Systems - NetWorker Laptop V6.x
Legato Systems - BudTool V4.x and NDMP Server for Win NT V1.x
LinkPro - IPReplicator V1.x
LinkPro - LibRSync
LinkPro - PowerSync V4.x-V5.x WS
Maximum Output Software - FileBack PC V3.x
Mensk Technologies - BX-Copy V1.x
Mensk Technologies - BX-Tools V2.x
NetMass - SystemSafe V4.x
Nexsan Technologies - InfiniSAN D2D
NovaStor Corporation - NovaBackup V7.x
NovaStor Corporation - NovaNet V7.x - V9.x
NovaStor Corporation - NovaNet-WEB Backup V3.x - V4.x
NSI Software - Double-Take for NT V3.x - V4.x
NT Backup - NT Backup V3.x - V5.x
Peer Software - PeerSync Pro
Peer Software - Save-N-Sync
REDiSAFE - REDiSAFE V1.x
Reliaty (formerly Workstation Solutions) - Quick Restore V2.x
Remote Backup Systems (formerly Quantum Tech, Inc.) - RBackup Remote Backup Software V8.x
RepliWeb - RepliWeb RDS V2.x
RepliWeb - RepliWeb RRS V1.3.x
Rutilus Software - SmartBack 2000 V2.x
SEP AG - SEP sesam
SkyDesk - @Backup V2.x
Software Pursuits - SureSync V1.x - V2.x
StorageTek - CAM Agent V4.x - V5.x
StorageTek - REELbackup V1.x - V2.x
SyncSort - Backup Express V2.0 - V2.1
Tantia Technologies - HARBOR Backup Client V5.x for NT
Teradactyl - Teradactyl V2.x
Tivoli - ADSM for NT V2.x - V3.x
Tivoli - Storage Manager for NT V2.x - V5.x
Veritas - Backup Exec V6.x - V9.x
Veritas - Backup Exec V7.x - V9.x Agent Accelerator for NT
Veritas - Backup Exec V7.x - V9.x NetWare Agent for NT
Veritas - Backup Exec Desktop Pro V4.5
Veritas - Backup MyPC V4.x
Veritas - NetBackup V3.x (includes Pro and Datacenter)
Veritas - SM-Arch V4.x
Veritas - Storage Exec V5.x
Veritas - Storage Manager V4.x
Veritas - TeleBackup V2.05 - V2.5
Yosemite Technologies - TapeWare V6.X - V7.x
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#100858 - 2003-05-19 07:55 PM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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weird listing.
what the heck is software called agent?
afaik, it definitely is not stand-alone and thus not can't be counted as software.
just a plug-in.
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#100859 - 2003-05-20 01:28 AM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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Pity Nt Backup stucked in that version cause had a good start by that time....not a coin after that, weird no?.

Hey i reached 2mm (lower case) ja!!
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#100860 - 2003-05-20 05:04 AM Re: arcserve - how I love it
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Keep on going Josè before you know it you'll be at 1,000 [Big Grin]
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